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  • #31
    RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

    I saw the movie "The Brave One", with Jodie Foster and compared it to the movie it was a remake of, "Death Wish", with Charles Bronson.

    In the movie "Death Wish" Bronson plays a liberal who becomes a vigilante after his wife is murdered and his daughter is put in a coma by a group of thugs. He goes around the bad side of town at night, well dressed and flashing money, to get muggers to try and rob him so he can kill them and get rid of them once and for all. All the muggers he killed in the movie were male and were just after his money.

    Compare that to the remake "The Brave One", which has a female lead played by Jodie Foster. In this movie, her fiance gets killed by muggers, all male, and she almost gets killed but survives. After she recuperates, she gets a gun to get rid of muggers, like the Bronson movie, but for some reason, all the men she kills are abusive to women.

    The first man she kills is in a grocery store. It's run by a woman and her ex-husband comes in, even though he has a restraining order to keep away, and starts screaming at her and then kills her. Jodie Foster is shopping there at the time and is behind an aisle, unseen by the killer, hearing everything. She makes a noise, though, and the killer sees her and starts to sadistically taunt her and obviously is going to kill her too.

    Foster pulls out her handgun and kills him first and takes off, with no witnesses. The killer looks and sounds amazingly like Jack Nicholson in "The Shining". I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

    The next evil man killed by Foster is a pimp in his car who tries to pick her up. He just so happens to have a young female whore with him who he keeps doped up to keep her under control.

    Foster pulls her gun and gets the whore out of the car to save her and then has to kill the evil male pimp in self defense when he attacks her.

    The third evil male Foster kills is a rich man who got away with murdering his wife because of lack of evidence, and Foster finds out is going to murder his daughter too because she knows too much.

    The remake has a female lead killing bad guys, like the male lead does in first one, but why, in the remake, are all the bad guys female abusers and killers while the first one the bad guys were just robbers who wanted money, not counting the ones who attacked Bronson's wife and daughter?

    Strange. I can imagine the cheering from all the man-hating feminists as Jodie kills all those evil, female abusing males off, one by one.

    Think Hollywood will ever make a movie where a man gets revenge on evil women, one by one?
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    It's called "Snow White and the Huntsman" and is yet another retelling of the Snow White fairy tale. The sets and costumes and special effects were all great, as was the acting, and I thought it was a good movie, why did it have to have Snow White, of all people, in armor, leading her men into battle against the wicked queen's army? You get to see her give a rousing before-battle speech to the men like William Wallace did in "Braveheart" and then you see her riding in the front, leading the way. And of course, the man in charge of the village she was staying in doesn't want anybody in it to fight because he's feels they're safer behind the walls there. She, of course, says that she'd rather die than spend one more day under the evil queen's oppression.

    Same with the other Snow White remake I saw not long ago called "Mirror, Mirror", where you see Snow doing acrobatics while fighting giant killer puppets with her sword. I also noticed that in both Snow White remakes, the evil queen is shown to be mentally unbalanced, so she wasn't so evil after all. The evil queen in the "Huntsman" version also had some problem with men in general, and had early childhood scenes suggesting she was abused by a man, making her not well mentally and suggesting it was all an evil man's fault.

    The third "Shrek" has Shrek's wife in armor, as the leader of all the male ogres, and she leads them into battle against the evil Rumpelstiltskin, who's taken over the kingdom.

    The Tim Burton version of "Alice in Wonderland" has Alice in armor and killing a dragon as big as a house. I don't think that was in the original story.

    The CGI movie called "The Pirates" has short, fat Queen Victoria in armor and wielding two swords at once, chasing a pirate.

    It seems every movie I rent that takes place in olden times when they fought with swords and armor, has some babe in armor leading the men into battle or fighting dragons, or whatever, even when it's based on a story where the female lead just says home and knits.

    It's so ridiculous. The movies are going nuts with this stuff. What next?

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    • #32
      RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

      ^ I think all this ties in with the idea that men are evil and all the good things men do women can do as well. No need for men at all.

      Though I don't necessarily have anything against the "strong woman" trope. I think those movies can be pretty fun. And I think a lot of women probably want to feel like they can be the hero sometimes as well. I guess the main thing then is perhaps that you should let women be villains as well.

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      • #33
        RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

        Originally posted by jcr
        I'll watch anything that's funny, animated or live-action, and have liked Disney movies since I was a kid. I just watched Disney's "How to Train Your Dragon" and noticed it has quite a lot of female on male violence, with no retaliation from the male characters at all.

        The movie takes place in a Viking village which is regularly besieged by dragons. The teenagers in the village have to take dragon fighting classes, where they fight real dragons in a controlled setting.

        You meet a group of teens, four boys and two girls, around fifteen, getting their training. They have to pick their shields from a group of them laying on the ground and a boy and a girl want the same shield. You see them them fighting over it, each one grabbing a side and trying to wrestle it away from the other.

        The boy says to the girl,"You should take that shield over there. It has flowers on it. Girls like flowers." She gets the shield away from him and then smashes it over his head, knocking him down, and says "Now this shield has blood on it", sneering down at him sadistically.

        Another training class has another girl being chased by a huge dragon through a maze. She jumps on top of the maze and down onto another boy, knocking him down. She's laying on her shield and is on top of the boy she knocked down. Her shield has her axe stuck in it, and when she gets up, she purposely puts her foot on the boys face while prying it out. Then she sees the huge dragon right behind her and turns around and hits it in the face with her shield and it runs off like a scared puppy.

        Another class has the teens in a smoke filled arena. Two boys have buckets filled with water to throw in the mouth of the dragon to put out it's flame-breathing abilities. The boys see what they think is the dragon coming at them through the smoke and throw their water on it, only to learn it's the two girls in the group. The girls are angry at being wet and an argument breaks out. One girl hits a boy and knocks him down. The other boy gets hit in the head by the other girl's bucket she throws at him and is knocked down too.

        Nowhere do you see the boy's retaliate against the girl's physical abuse, which seems strange since the movie shows the girls being taught to be fierce warrior, dragon fighters just like the boys; their physical and mental equals in every way. I also noticed that the only teens who messed up during the training were the boys. It has one not paying attention, one missing his target, and so on. And of course, the best warrior/dragon fighter of the group is a girl.

        Another scene has a girl who's mad at a boy, grab him by the collar, throw him down, kick him, and then drop her huge, heavy axe on him so the handle hits him in the chest or stomach. Maybe his groin? I couldn't see as he was below camera range.

        The movie has fantastic animation and is really funny but the male bashing, girls physically abusing the boys, girl power crap is overwhelming. Why is this considered acceptable in the movies today? What effect does this have on boys and girls growing up watching misandric shit like this? I thought I'd give anyone here who hasn't seen it yet a warning.
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        I rented "Lake Placid 3" when it came out in Redboxes. It has some more of the male/female role reversals Hollywood is so fond of. The series is about a lake that has a giant crocodile in it that's killing people and has to be stopped.

        One scene shows a couple in their twenties hiking to the lake. The man is worried about getting lost and them getting attacked by wolverines. The woman, of course, isn't, and insults the man by saying "If you keep talking like that, you'll start lactating." Can you imagine what would happen if a man ever said that to a woman in any movie made today?

        They get to the lake and she strips nude. He says in surprise "You're naked" to which she says, jokingly, "Oh, you noticed?", not shy about it at all.

        They go in the water and find out it's too cold. They go back on shore and she gets the idea that the way to warm up is for them to have sex. She jumps on him and they start having sex, with her on top, of course.

        Another female you see later on, who you hear described as a cougar by a ranger, is shown sitting at a table in a bar with two men. A young waiter is walking by and she rolls up a ten dollar bill and throws it on the floor, unseen by him.

        She asks if he would pick it up for her, and when he does, she grabs his butt really hard. He tries to give the bill to her but she says "No, honey, you keep it". He just smiles and walks away with the money.
        Another scene has two male rangers trapped in a jeep by a giant crocodile. One's wife sees this and runs out with a shotgun and starts shooting it. When that isn't enough, she grabs a nearby chain saw and starts it and attacks it with that. You find out her full time job is a real estate agent.

        Another scene has a female hunter/tour guide jump into the lake with a huge knife in her hand to fight a crocodile that has grabbed a man by the foot.

        Later, she and two men find a mutilated body by the lake. One man says that it's obvious what killed the man. A shark. A megalon, he called it, which I think was a type of dinosaur. This, after they were almost killed by a giant crocodile that capsized their boat and tried to eat them. She just looks at him in disbelief.

        Later on, a man accidently shoots her twice while trying to hit the crocodile dragging her into the woods. Of course, she stops it herself by stabbing it over and over in the head.

        She wants to go to a nearby cabin for help but the man wants to go off on his own to look for his girlfirend. They start arguing about it and she hits him once in the head and knocks him out. Then, even though she's been shot through her shoulder and leg, drags him, unconscious, to the cabin.

        And even though she been shot twice and is in great pain and has lost a lot of blood, she never stops cracking jokes.

        Another thing I noticed is that even though the movie is R-rated and shows a man's head get bitten off and limbless, bloody bodies lying around, it doesn't show any female nudity, even though there's several opportunities, like when two college babes are changing into their bikinis in the woods.

        Showing a man's head being bitten off is OK but showing two women topless for a few seconds is too offensive? To who, I wonder? Feminists of course. All the male bashing, man stupid/ woman smart, man cowardly/woman brave, older woman grabbing young man's butt stuff is OK but can't offend the feminists.

        I've always liked movies so I have to wade through a lot of shit to find a good one. Why all this feminist-revenge shit? What is wrong with the "men" in Hollywood?

        When's another movie like "300" coming out? And the CGI crocodiles look fake as hell too. Thank goodness I only paid a dollar to rent it.


        I honestly love How to Train Your Dragon. Amazing animation, beautiful music and great father son story. It is a shame they had to add those few elements of "girls beating up boys" but Iwould say compared to some other animated films

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        • #34
          RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

          Originally posted by Thor
          ^ I think all this ties in with the idea that men are evil and all the good things men do women can do as well. No need for men at all.

          Though I don't necessarily have anything against the "strong woman" trope. I think those movies can be pretty fun. And I think a lot of women probably want to feel like they can be the hero sometimes as well. I guess the main thing then is perhaps that you should let women be villains as well.
          Women shown as being strong and able to defend themselves in the movies is fine, but when they do things like having the Governor's daughter from the first "Pirates of the Caribean" movie, who was rich and pampered all her life and looked like she weighed maybe ninety pounds, suddenly becoming a ferocious warrior after joining the good pirates, and battling two male, battle-hardened bad pirates at the same time, with a sword in each hand, and winning.... Give me a break.

          And movies today commonly make the women outdo the men in everything just to appeal to the female audience. They'll know all about cars or computers or rocket science while the men around them are dumbfounded and clueless.

          Snow White or Sleeping Beauty can't just sit by the wayside anymore. They have to now be "empowered" and the story feminized so she's the one in armor fighting the dragon and leading the men to victory. Or at least joining the men in the fighting, when in the original story she would have stayed in her castle and worried about the men fighting for her.

          The recent "Robin Hood" with Russel Crowe had Maid Marion "empowered", with the skinny actress playing her running into battle with Robin's men, in a gown that looked like she was going to see the King, and holding up a huge sword that looked like it weighed more than she did.

          Robin's men were all dressed like you'd expect them to be when running to a battle. They couldn't find any battle clothes for Maid Marion? Or did the movie have her in her dress to accent that this was a WOMAN running into battle with the men?

          If a movie has a female character that's been genetically altered or from another planet or maybe had fight training her whole life and beating whole groups of male soldiers, that's one thing. But when the female character is obviously just an average female, who was maybe pampered and spoiled her whole life, suddenly become a one-women army with the physical fighting ability of Spider Man, I say "Oh, come on, now".

          You could say they're just giving the female part of the audience what they want and the only motivator is money. If that's the case, then why aren't they giving the male part of the audience what they want? Do most men really enjoy movie after movie where the woman is smarter and more mature than the man?

          And what happened to nude scenes in the movies? They used to have female nudity in just about every R-rated movie. Now they're almost nowhere to be found. Because feminists complained. Why did Hollywood listen? They didn't have to. And why does almost every movie with a good looking male lead have to have scenes with him with his shirt off, looking like he works out for two hours a day? Who's that for? Men?

          Why almost no female nudity but non-stop shirtless musclemen, if it's just about the money? Hollywood is run by feminists, male and female, so all you have to choose from these days is full of pro-feminist propaganda. With few exceptions.

          I think I'll rest my fingers for a while now.

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          • #35
            RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

            I actually don't think Hard Candy was a misandrist film.

            Anyone watching with a critical eye (like myself) realized that the genius of the film was the question of "Who here is actually the bad guy?" As in, the guy who drugs and rapes little girls, or the sociopathic murderer who pretends to torture men just for shits and giggles?

            It's really Evil vs. Evil, which is why I don't think it's necessarily misandrist. I really like the movie actually, has two of my favorite actors (the only two actors in the movie hahaha)

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            • #36
              RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

              Originally posted by jcr
              If a movie has a female character that's been genetically altered or from another planet or maybe had fight training her whole life and beating whole groups of male soldiers, that's one thing. But when the female character is obviously just an average female, who was maybe pampered and spoiled her whole life, suddenly become a one-women army with the physical fighting ability of Spider Man, I say "Oh, come on, now".
              Well, I can't really argue with that.

              As for the nudity, if you look at shows by HBO for example it's quite prominent. Showing boobs gives a movie a higher age rating as well, which probably means fewer people will see it. I don't think showing a male torso is quite comparable to female boobs. More like a woman in a sexy dress. Personally I don't really care though, internet porn is just a few clicks away, so why do I need naked women in movies for? The only time it bothers me is when the show really calls for more explicit sex scenes due to the material. In a show like Mad Men for example it gets a bit silly how they allway just almost tease the nudity rather than just show it, especially since the show is so much centered around people having sex. But I think that has more to do with the prudishness of our culture rather than any feminist ideals.

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              • #37
                RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

                I don't have cable or satellite so I'm just going by the movies I've seen. I almost never see female nudity in R-rated movies, even when you'd think they'd show it, like the movie "Lake Placid 3", which had arms and legs flying every which way. But when a guy was trying to spy on some women changing into their bikinis in some bushes, you just see the women from the necks up. Why? Wouldn't the men in the audience like to see them naked? It's already R-rated, so why no boobs or butts for the men?

                In "Return of the Living Dead", during a night scene where a group of punk rockers are in a cemetery partying and playing a loud boombox, one of the females in the group gets up on a monument naked and dances, one of her favorite things to do. She has a great body and it's one of my favorite scenes.

                During the director's commentary about this scene, he says that he got a lot of complaints by feminists about it, and if he had to do it over he would have left it out. Why? What does he care what they think? What about what the mostly male audience wants to see?

                Feminist liberals run Hollywood. And in Hollywood, PC doesn't apply to conservatives.

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                • #38
                  RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

                  I'd like to see some new meme in response to this issue and to the Bechdel test. For those unfamiliar:

                  1. It has to have at least two women in it,
                  2. who talk to each other,
                  3. about something besides a man

                  It has inspired others, such as the Russo test:

                  1. The film contains a character that is identifiably lesbian, gay, bisexual, and/or transgender.
                  2. The character must not be solely or predominantly defined by their sexual orientation or gender identity.
                  3. The character must be tied into the plot in such a way that their removal would have a significant effect.

                  I think this kind of test was supposed to track trends within the industry, not to be used to judge an individual movie. Up fails these tests, but it's a beautiful movie, and you are not human if you didn't cry like a bitch, male or female.

                  I observe that people do use these tests to judge individual movies as "passing", but I'm not into that line of thinking, especially since it typically results in tokenism and the people who think that way are prone to overusing words like "systemic".

                  I would like to see a movie that:

                  1. Empowers a female character,
                  2. without using violence against men.

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                  • #39
                    RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

                    I think that, as a male writer, it's easy to fall into the trap of writing a movie solely about men where the female is just a love interest and nothing more. Most writers in hollywood are men, so it's going to be more prominent there than anywhere else. But if you look at amateur literature anywhere, it's going to be pretty evident that no matter who writes the book, the opposite gender commonly has no life of his or her own other than when he or she interacts with the protagonist. I think it can be a valid criticism, and something to think about as a writer, but I think it goes a bit far when you start labeling it as "sexism" or an attempt to disempower women.

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                    • #40
                      RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

                      95% of horror movies.

                      A male sole survivor? Nah, I don't think so.

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                      • #41
                        RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

                        In "The Fourth Kind", Milo Jovovich is a therapist who puts two men who've been abducted by aliens under hypnosis to retrieve suppressed memories of what they went through. When they remember, it so overwhelms them that one commits murder/suicide and another lets himself freeze to death. Then Jovovich finds out she may have been abducted too and puts herself through self-hypnosis, in spite of knowing the dangers, because she HAS to know the truth and it would be "for the good of the community".

                        She brings up some terrible things but is totally fine afterwards, and was even able to fly her little single engine plane to work the next day, smiling. Kind of a big difference between her and the men.

                        Another scene has the male town sheriff fly into a hysterical rage when he gets opposition to having a murder suspect arrested. The deputy has to calm him down enough to see that they don't have enough evidence.

                        Later, the male deputy is supposed to keep watch on the murder suspect by parking outside his house. Of course, before long, the deputy is sound asleep and the suspect walks out of his house and leaves.

                        This was obviously written with a female audience in mind, like "Lake Placid 3" I talked about earlier. Lots of male bashing and women superior/men inferior scenes.

                        Hollywood thinks bashing men in their movies to appeal to women is great, but would never make a movie where the women get bashed to appeal to men.

                        That's feminist equality for you.

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                        • #42
                          RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

                          It's a safe bet that if the lead is female, several of the top listed stars are female, or it's a straight up chick flick it will fit the bill.

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                          • #43
                            RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

                            This "The Fourth Kind" movie is the type of movie I usually despise.
                            Men being dumb, lose their lives, etc.. Women being survivors, smart, etc..

                            Talk about male bashing.
                            Like 95% of the horror movies are not enough.

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                            • #44
                              RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

                              I call movies like that Feminist Revenge movies. They're not content to just make the female characters equal to the men. They write the male characters as cowards, stupid, violent, lazy, selfish, and on and on, while the female characters are written as almost perfect; intelligent and Saintly.

                              But if Hollywood is just about the money, where are all the Men's Revenge movies aimed at men? They sure don't listen to Christian groups when they complain about all the Christian bashing in the movies. Then they yell "artistic freedom". But they sure can censor themselves when it comes to what would be offensive to women.

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                              • #45
                                RE: what are some feminist/man hating movies?

                                Originally posted by jcr
                                I call movies like that Feminist Revenge movies. They're not content to just make the female characters equal to the men. They write the male characters as cowards, stupid, violent, lazy, selfish, and on and on, while the female characters are written as almost perfect; intelligent and Saintly.

                                But if Hollywood is just about the money, where are all the Men's Revenge movies aimed at men? They sure don't listen to Christian groups when they complain about all the Christian bashing in the movies. Then they yell "artistic freedom". But they sure can censor themselves when it comes to what would be offensive to women.
                                *superior

                                and I agree with all of this.

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