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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...se-claims.html

    This is why anonymity is necessary, and why false accusers should face the same punishment that a guilty sex offender would get. They just ruin lives and walk away without consequence.

  • #2
    i keep thinking


    #1 there are many rich men who have been accused
    #2 rich men have to give donations to charities to increase their income.
    #3 should they not want to help the men accused who cant afford to defend themselves?
    #4 should we try to create a foundation that receives money from these men to help men who were proven innocent and are financially crippled?
    #5 it would be wrong i think to set it up to help men who are charged..... too much of a fine line. but.. #4 works.

    does anyone have a database of these men?


    edit: maybe even add abused in divorce men to the list?
    Last edited by TheNarrator; 09-10-2017, 04:45 PM.
    Originally posted by MatrixTransform
    where were you before you put yourself last?
    Originally posted by TheNarrator
    Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by TheNarrator View Post
      i keep thinking


      #1 there are many rich men who have been accused
      #2 rich men have to give donations to charities to increase their income.
      #3 should they not want to help the men accused who cant afford to defend themselves?
      #4 should we try to create a foundation that receives money from these men to help men who were proven innocent and are financially crippled?
      #5 it would be wrong i think to set it up to help men who are charged..... too much of a fine line. but.. #4 works.

      does anyone have a database of these men?


      edit: maybe even add abused in divorce men to the list?
      The Lighthouse Project with Diana Davidson does good work. You got a good idea, men who are free thinkers and like to rock the boat might help. Others would probably be too scared to associate, breaking down this barrier and stigma of false accusation is important.

      I think if you focused on making the project about recovery from false accusation, counselling, support, advice, legal support, reputation recovery, work and family life recovery. And you put the blame or the bad guy role firmly on the system and the courts, then you'd stand a chance. The tactics of blaming the false accuser, gets you cut off at the knees, people won't touch it, regardless of how true it is. Don't forget the accusations which are most harmful come from protected groups. That protected status works, so you have to go around it, but the government, courts and fanatical officials aren't protected status, and should be held to account.
      "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
      Originally posted by menrppl2
      Can't live with em, life is great without them.

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      • #4
        Again, the solution is GTHO, to a nation that does not speak English.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by polite_disagreement View Post
          Again, the solution is GTHO, to a nation that does not speak English.
          Didn't Mexico just have a Hurricane and an Earthquake? Sadly I heard the earthquake death toll was 70+ :-(

          (not to imply that earthquakes care about political boundaries)
          "...but when she goes off you, she will not just walk away, she will walk away with your fucking skin in a jar." ~~ DoctorRandomercam
          "The laws of man, they don't apply when blood gets in a woman's eye" - The Black Keys

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          • #6
            Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
            The Lighthouse Project with Diana Davidson does good work. You got a good idea, men who are free thinkers and like to rock the boat might help. Others would probably be too scared to associate, breaking down this barrier and stigma of false accusation is important.

            I think if you focused on making the project about recovery from false accusation, counselling, support, advice, legal support, reputation recovery, work and family life recovery. And you put the blame or the bad guy role firmly on the system and the courts, then you'd stand a chance. The tactics of blaming the false accuser, gets you cut off at the knees, people won't touch it, regardless of how true it is. Don't forget the accusations which are most harmful come from protected groups. That protected status works, so you have to go around it, but the government, courts and fanatical officials aren't protected status, and should be held to account.
            yeah after i posted that i spoke with a friend and im gonna try to make this work but i dont want to help counseling etc. i want to just hand over cash to help the guys recover.
            Originally posted by MatrixTransform
            where were you before you put yourself last?
            Originally posted by TheNarrator
            Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TheNarrator View Post
              yeah after i posted that i spoke with a friend and im gonna try to make this work but i dont want to help counseling etc. i want to just hand over cash to help the guys recover.
              I think the cash should come from the government to compensate for the damage caused by what they've put them through. The more terrible the crime is regarded by society the more disastrous the false accusation, and profound the damage. It's profound violation of human rights to treat an innocent person as guilty. This area of law is something that is quite obscure, double jeopardy stops the system dragging a person into court again and again, but what we have is a violation of innocent until proven guilty. Feminists have classified men as not convicted, that's as bad a classing all men automatically as 'unaccused [fill in crime here]'.

              When a flawed investigation puts an innocent man through hell, then to court, then dumps him back to a devastated life, it should have a responsibility to restore him to the life he had before. Not just wipe it's hands and classify him as someone who got away with it this time. This collusion gives feminists more power to destroy more lives.

              As an entire society we should care about the innocent, and we should really care about state power being abused to torment and destroy individuals.

              Tell us how you get along with this one, even if it's just uncovering information on what is there and making statements about what is missing. It's ridiculous that men have to basically have themselves dragged through a civil case, in order to clear their name and expose a false accuser. And hardly anyone can actually afford to do that.
              "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
              Originally posted by menrppl2
              Can't live with em, life is great without them.

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              • #8
                Certainly something needs to be done about this abuse of the justice system to appease women. Anonymity for the accused the same way the accuser gets it, innocent until proven guilty, no media/social trial without hearing the evidence from the man, accountability for false accusers, and compensation for damage caused.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mifune View Post
                  Didn't Mexico just have a Hurricane and an Earthquake? Sadly I heard the earthquake death toll was 70+ :-(

                  (not to imply that earthquakes care about political boundaries)
                  Most of my life I lived in Tornado country. So, I am not terrified of hurricanes or earthquakes. And, the last one, this last week, was about 50 miles out in the ocean west of Mexico. Most deaths from earthquakes are poorly built housing. When my house was built, the rather poorly educated man who built it, still understood the distances to put beams apart to avoid resonance in a shaker earthquake. I went out of the house, but did not hurry about it. If this house goes down, Mexico City will be totaled.

                  Also, look at New Orleans. It will never be totally rebuilt, after how many years? A few years ago, they had a major hurricane in Playa Del Carmen, and within 90 days, everything was open for business as usual. The rich nation puts up wooden houses; if it rains, they get ruined. If there is a flood, they get ruined. If there is wind, it gets ruined. If there is fire, it gets ruined. Here, replace the window glass, clean out the mud, put in new furniture, and it's as good as new.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
                    I think the cash should come from the government to compensate for the damage caused by what they've put them through. The more terrible the crime is regarded by society the more disastrous the false accusation, and profound the damage. It's profound violation of human rights to treat an innocent person as guilty. This area of law is something that is quite obscure, double jeopardy stops the system dragging a person into court again and again, but what we have is a violation of innocent until proven guilty. Feminists have classified men as not convicted, that's as bad a classing all men automatically as 'unaccused [fill in crime here]'.

                    When a flawed investigation puts an innocent man through hell, then to court, then dumps him back to a devastated life, it should have a responsibility to restore him to the life he had before. Not just wipe it's hands and classify him as someone who got away with it this time. This collusion gives feminists more power to destroy more lives.

                    As an entire society we should care about the innocent, and we should really care about state power being abused to torment and destroy individuals.

                    Tell us how you get along with this one, even if it's just uncovering information on what is there and making statements about what is missing. It's ridiculous that men have to basically have themselves dragged through a civil case, in order to clear their name and expose a false accuser. And hardly anyone can actually afford to do that.
                    i would rather see these men get something.
                    the government giving them money = im not holding my breath

                    also.. if i create a foundation to do this..i can give money anywhere in the world. so thats a huge bonus



                    also..i bolded a portion of your post.
                    this is simply impossible. the damage done is not something you can compensate for or reverse
                    Originally posted by MatrixTransform
                    where were you before you put yourself last?
                    Originally posted by TheNarrator
                    Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TheNarrator View Post
                      i would rather see these men get something.
                      the government giving them money = im not holding my breath

                      also.. if i create a foundation to do this..i can give money anywhere in the world. so thats a huge bonus



                      also..i bolded a portion of your post.
                      this is simply impossible. the damage done is not something you can compensate for or reverse
                      Agreed a foundation of course is free to do it as it likes, governments it's each jurisdiction to deal with (though if the USA does something the other Anglosphere muppets tend to copy it.)

                      The most important phrase is: it should have a responsibility.

                      It did the breaking, it harmed an innocent person, it has a responsibility. That is important for 2 reasons, firstly the obvious to ameliorate the harm done to a person (the means I agree will never be ideal), secondly so that it has clear pressure not to pursue a form of tyranny, which it will, the situation at the moment is government will screw you over - your only option is to live a life where no woman accuses you of anything. If you don't deal with state having equal responsibility for its actions to all people, it will become an instrument of torment at the hands of the advantaged group and through them a general method of abuse for use of the state.
                      "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
                      Originally posted by menrppl2
                      Can't live with em, life is great without them.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
                        Agreed a foundation of course is free to do it as it likes, governments it's each jurisdiction to deal with (though if the USA does something the other Anglosphere muppets tend to copy it.)

                        The most important phrase is: it should have a responsibility.

                        It did the breaking, it harmed an innocent person, it has a responsibility. That is important for 2 reasons, firstly the obvious to ameliorate the harm done to a person (the means I agree will never be ideal), secondly so that it has clear pressure not to pursue a form of tyranny, which it will, the situation at the moment is government will screw you over - your only option is to live a life where no woman accuses you of anything. If you don't deal with state having equal responsibility for its actions to all people, it will become an instrument of torment at the hands of the advantaged group and through them a general method of abuse for use of the state.
                        to quote a favourite character of mine

                        "deserves got nothing to do with it"


                        now substitute deserve with responsibility.

                        i want to help men. getting the system too is futile. gynocentrism is there.

                        men need to work for each other if they can. but the system will NOT stop expecting it too! thats a HUGE problem with MRA etc.. they expect it to be fair. IT AINT
                        Originally posted by MatrixTransform
                        where were you before you put yourself last?
                        Originally posted by TheNarrator
                        Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TheNarrator View Post
                          to quote a favourite character of mine

                          "deserves got nothing to do with it"


                          now substitute deserve with responsibility.

                          i want to help men. getting the system too is futile. gynocentrism is there.

                          men need to work for each other if they can. but the system will NOT stop expecting it too! thats a HUGE problem with MRA etc.. they expect it to be fair. IT AINT
                          Creating a charity or foundation to address a problem is a fine thing to do. But if you leave a system broken endlessly producing more crushed lives you'll never keep up with the damage done. It is way easier to destroy lives than to repair them. Even if the individuals themselves have to do it all and a foundation just provides a hand up and some needed information.

                          Regardless of what MRA's may expect from their respective countries and international community, it has to be addressed, hard, futile, unrewarding or whatever you have to treat the sickness not just the symptoms. It's not a case of one approach over another except as far as individuals or organised groups are making their own choices, if the system is left unaddressed it will spread, if it can keep getting away with it, it will be adopted wherever a man goes and however he tries to live. It's not that hard a point. Something is gunning for you, it's not gonna stop unless it is stopped by those it's going for.
                          "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
                          Originally posted by menrppl2
                          Can't live with em, life is great without them.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
                            Creating a charity or foundation to address a problem is a fine thing to do. But if you leave a system broken endlessly producing more crushed lives you'll never keep up with the damage done. It is way easier to destroy lives than to repair them. Even if the individuals themselves have to do it all and a foundation just provides a hand up and some needed information.

                            Regardless of what MRA's may expect from their respective countries and international community, it has to be addressed, hard, futile, unrewarding or whatever you have to treat the sickness not just the symptoms. It's not a case of one approach over another except as far as individuals or organised groups are making their own choices, if the system is left unaddressed it will spread, if it can keep getting away with it, it will be adopted wherever a man goes and however he tries to live. It's not that hard a point. Something is gunning for you, it's not gonna stop unless it is stopped by those it's going for.
                            creating this charity will bring things to light.
                            but tell me

                            do you believe people are ready for red pills?
                            do you believe people can EVEN TAKE red pills? the average person?

                            i dont mean red pills for how men are treated i mean GYNOCENTRISM!

                            id rather do something that helps than bank on a government thats flailing currently.

                            can i say that...

                            i think you are wrong.
                            this isnt a sickness
                            this isnt something that is going to be cured
                            it isnt even something people want cured.

                            this is how humans are.

                            understand that. and live with it. but pushing for change will only alienate you.

                            push for justice for things that can change things directly... men are problem solvers after all. so i make a charity.

                            the laws will never be just because even if they become just... gynocentrism will favour women in sentencing. in police stops, in being charged, in life!
                            Last edited by TheNarrator; 09-13-2017, 10:59 PM.
                            Originally posted by MatrixTransform
                            where were you before you put yourself last?
                            Originally posted by TheNarrator
                            Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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                            • #15
                              These are good questions.

                              Originally posted by TheNarrator View Post
                              creating this charity will bring things to light.
                              but tell me

                              do you believe people are ready for red pills?
                              No I don't think they are or even interested. They consider this to be normal and the majority of them will consider that there is nothing that needs changing. A great many may even realise that it's unfair and unequal, but won't care. They will think it's good for men to be under this pressure and that women deserve better treatment because women become mothers and mothers are the most important thing in the world in their opinion.

                              do you believe people can EVEN TAKE red pills? the average person?
                              No and I don't think the majority will even ever hear about it. I think the majority have never even given a moments thought to feminism, or a myriad of other topics we talk about. But I don't think they need to. Societies are shaped by the margins, not the many. The many want to carry on their lives as they are in front of them, they care about the people they meet and the challenges they face. No matter how dramatic the media gets, after they've had a two minute chat and shared a few ooohs and ahhhs they get back to what really worries them, getting to work, paying off bills, preparing for the weekend or whatever else is on their minds.

                              i dont mean red pills for how men are treated i mean GYNOCENTRISM!

                              id rather do something that helps than bank on a government thats flailing currently.
                              I think you should do what you think is right, it's gonna take more than one idea and more than one push. Rather than being wrong or right, it's more important that things are done, and if the right intent is all we've got to go on, then so be it. The really big things that shape the human race are out of our hands, and hopefully out of the hands of feminists or any other tell people what to do and think ideological group.

                              can i say that...

                              i think you are wrong.
                              Of course you can, I've been wrong plenty. I used to think feminists and socialists were good people. I used to think they wanted a society that helps people and that they believed in egalitarianism, justice for all, rule of law, democracy and most fundamentally they were driven by fairness.

                              this isnt a sickness
                              No the shape of humanity, society is just the reality that it is. If everybody says white is black and black is white then that is how it is. However systemic, institutional and state power, is a sickness when it abuses citizens. It was never intended to abuse women, pretty much everything that ended up pressing onto women structures they didn't really want, was originally intended to help and protect them. Fathers didn't have daughters to see them grow up miserable and married off to a man who will treat them like property. That's the fundamental reason why the changes women wanted were successful, men never wanted them to be anything but happy and safe in their lives. Women who want to ruin lives for men, who don't share the same basic humanity towards men that men do towards women, are sick. They are not just gynocentric, gynocentrism should be sated by women wanting the best for themselves and men wanting the best for them. Any more than that is a corruption of what may be a fundamental human perspective. Gynocentrism explains how the excess happens, of itself it isn't the problem, and it can be realised. A fundamental respect for the free choice of human beings should mean that men who choose not to, don't have to live gynocentric lives. That is the shape of a healthy society and should be the policy of a healthy government and public. If it's not like that... it's not healthy.

                              this isnt something that is going to be cured
                              This is pretty simple, either people find a way to live that can continue or society collapses. Society is more like a slowly learning course correcting behemoth that veers off track as the crowd lurches in a direction and slowly changes it's mind. Such is life in a social organism. However some things are ideas parasitical attached to tendencies. Stripping legal rights and treating people unfairly is going to rend harm upon innocents. Despite what it looks like the majority of people don't want that, they don't want to be part of a society that does that. They don't want to be at risk of that themselves. Feminism has caused changes by incessantly lying. They've gotten so used to lying they believe their own lies, and the media latches onto it and pushes it forward, the politicians being corrupt cowards go with it. But people overall one not that completely stupid, and two get bored and want new fashions, they get tired of the same old preaching. The more this shit is done the more it becomes the fashion to defy it. Human rights activism is at core about stability and raising the basic standard for everyone, it's targeted things like landmines, chemical weapons, incarceration without trial, torture etc for that reason. The human race gives up this millimetre by millimetre ratchet towards something better, then the limits start breaking, those following the rules will start to break them, things enter a decline of people being self serving and no longer trusting group abstractions like government, police, courts and law. When things go too far it risks a lot, what human rights activists do is start shouting it's gone too far, this is wrong, they draw attention to the canaries in the coal mine. All they have to be is not lying. We've got a mess, feminists have made a business of lying, but that doesn't change the basic need, and the core response.

                              it isnt even something people want cured.
                              The closer it gets to home the more they will. The basic problem isn't the unjust excesses at the moment, it's that things like feminism are never satisfied, the people who do it are addicted to the rewards, they get greedy, they want more power. Destroying lives becomes the evidence of their power and they start to crave seeing the evidence of their power. Just take a look at the jubilantism that rips through feminist forums and media when they get a scalp. Their contempt isn't even remotely contained, and they don't care if they did it by lying and cheating, they just want the thrill of wielding power. When a normal blue pill person sees that in their face, it breaks the warning glass, they might not wake up immediately but it's like when you see an adult going too far shouting at a child and the child shows fear to their parents and falls into themselves, maybe you've not witnessed abuse but it sticks in your mind, you become wary that they person might be abusing that child.

                              this is how humans are.
                              People are in general are dumb, not evil. They basically want two things, to do the right thing and live without hassle.

                              understand that. and live with it. but pushing for change will only alienate you.
                              The only change MHRA push for are those things defined by rights and the entity being targeted is the state. MHRA should and I hope never do become activism addicts or power hungry. I don't think they will, I think the core motivation is get it done, then get on with your life.

                              push for justice for things that can change things directly... men are problem solvers after all. so i make a charity.
                              And it's a good thing to do. But it doesn't change the fact that the justice system was created by men to solve problems. It's in need of maintenance, because it ain't going anywhere.

                              the laws will never be just because even if they become just... gynocentrism will favour women in sentencing. in police stops, in being charged, in life!
                              This isn't about winning an ideological war, MHRM are not feminists, it's not about rewriting the code of the world or human race. The human race can turn into whatever it wants, fairness is enough. I don't resent treating mothers kindly, I don't have a problem with giving up some comfort so that children are looked after and safe. So women may have it easier than men and that may be permanent, and that of itself don't really matter, nothing I ever got easy did a blind bit of good in shaping my character or capacity to get stuff done. If women don't want the growth that comes from facing problems that's not a big issue to me. But if they want to degrade their humanity then turn men into their legal punching bags, destroy the futures of children and corrupt government, well that ain't okay. Gynocentrism may be the reality, but that doesn't mean it should be left to lurch unopposed into an excess that destroys lives.

                              Your choice to do a charity doesn't create an either or situation. It doesn't even clash with any goals. Any way the problem can be highlighted or dealt with is good. Just don't do it silently, what gets witnessed and what happens to men needs to be keep being raised. But it's a collective effort, as long as none of us joins in hiding the mess and covering up things with lies, there will be someone else who can make use of the evidence.
                              "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
                              Originally posted by menrppl2
                              Can't live with em, life is great without them.

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