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  • #16
    RE: Testosterone Replacement Therapy

    I am not a doctor and have not had such therapy, but as far as I know:
    Hormones can be administered topically on the skin. This has an advantage of buffering the hormones so that system (blood) levels are more stable. Is injection better? Why?

    I've read unverified claims of types of testosterone (testosterone undecanoate, testosterone enanthate) which reduces sperm count, so they might be of interest as a male contraceptive. Is it adequate by itself as contraception or useful in combination?

    Anyway, too little T can cause some really nasty problems as well, and a total lack thereof can cause remarkably bad issues such as your bones becoming so brittle they can break just from regular walking.
    There are places which perform a "chemical castration" on men (but not women) who are convicted of sex crimes. It is yet another disparity in criminal sentencing of men and women. It suppresses men's hormones at least while they are being issued the poison. I think it is unethical and bad as a general policy.

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    • #17
      I'm not sure what the etiquette here is. Some forums get angry when you create a new topic when a previous thread already exists. Others get angry if you post to a long dormant thread.

      Anyways, I've dealt with depression since puberty. It's just gotten worse and worse over the years and doctors keep piling on the pills. Within the last year or two, it's gotten so bad that I can't do anything. I work an average of 8 hours a week, and even just that exhausts me for the day.

      I've been trying to figure out what is going on with myself for years. Doctors can't figure it out and just have me try different kinds of anti-depressants. So I read a lot about various ailments that could be causing my problems and have the doctor check them. I think they see me as a hypochondriac. I heard about Low Testosterone and finally got around to having it checked. I finally got the results today by e-mail.

      The accepted testosterone range is between 249 and 836 ng/dL, and mine is 93 ng/dL. This is seriously bad, right? Should I go see the doctor ASAP?

      I'm also confused as to if I've always had this problem all along and that caused my depression, or if the drugs for my depression caused the low testosterone.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Phobos View Post
        I'm not sure what the etiquette here is. Some forums get angry when you create a new topic when a previous thread already exists. Others get angry if you post to a long dormant thread.

        Anyways, I've dealt with depression since puberty. It's just gotten worse and worse over the years and doctors keep piling on the pills. Within the last year or two, it's gotten so bad that I can't do anything. I work an average of 8 hours a week, and even just that exhausts me for the day.

        I've been trying to figure out what is going on with myself for years. Doctors can't figure it out and just have me try different kinds of anti-depressants. So I read a lot about various ailments that could be causing my problems and have the doctor check them. I think they see me as a hypochondriac. I heard about Low Testosterone and finally got around to having it checked. I finally got the results today by e-mail.

        The accepted testosterone range is between 249 and 836 ng/dL, and mine is 93 ng/dL. This is seriously bad, right? Should I go see the doctor ASAP?

        I'm also confused as to if I've always had this problem all along and that caused my depression, or if the drugs for my depression caused the low testosterone.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Phobos View Post
          I'm not sure what the etiquette here is. Some forums get angry when you create a new topic when a previous thread already exists. Others get angry if you post to a long dormant thread.

          Anyways, I've dealt with depression since puberty. It's just gotten worse and worse over the years and doctors keep piling on the pills. Within the last year or two, it's gotten so bad that I can't do anything. I work an average of 8 hours a week, and even just that exhausts me for the day.

          I've been trying to figure out what is going on with myself for years. Doctors can't figure it out and just have me try different kinds of anti-depressants. So I read a lot about various ailments that could be causing my problems and have the doctor check them. I think they see me as a hypochondriac. I heard about Low Testosterone and finally got around to having it checked. I finally got the results today by e-mail.

          The accepted testosterone range is between 249 and 836 ng/dL, and mine is 93 ng/dL. This is seriously bad, right? Should I go see the doctor ASAP?

          I'm also confused as to if I've always had this problem all along and that caused my depression, or if the drugs for my depression caused the low testosterone.
          How do you know you're 93 ng/dL without having been to the doctor?

          I'd suggest that if you're concerned about it, go to the doctor and discuss options.

          There are lifestyle changes you can make that might have a positive effect on your testosterone levels.

          1. Lose Weight
          2. High-intensity Exercise
          3. Consume plenty of Zinc
          4. Strength Training
          5. Optimize Vitamin D Levels
          6. Reduce Stress
          7. Limit or Eliminate Sugar from your Diet
          8. Eat Healthy Fats
          9. Boost Your Intake of Branch Chain Amino Acids (BCAA) from Foods Like Whey Protein


          http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fit...ne-levels.aspx
          If you have really low energy (like can't find the energy to do any exercise) then you can start with the dietary changes and see if that boosts your energy enough to get you exercising. Also pay attention to your sleep. If you're not sleeping well that can really suck the energy out of you.
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          • #20
            Testosterone decreases with age. If you're 30 with low T that's one thing, but if you're 50 like me and have low T, well that's just part of aging. I'm sure I have low T but why would I want to seek treatment for it, just to become horny as fuck again? I don't think so. Geez women cost me enough as it is.
            Stay single and prosper!

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            • #21
              I'm around 40. I don't really care about that side effect. Some horniness would probably do me some good. At the moment, I have no motivation to pursue women, which is making me slack on keeping up a good appearance.

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              • #22
                I've been diagnosed with hypogonadism. Apparently I'm going to need Testosterone Cypionate injections every two weeks for the rest of my life. This is kind of depressing news, but I am happy it wasn't a pituitary tumor like they thought it might be.

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                • #23
                  At least you know what's wrong and what needs to be done to correct it. Let us know if the injections improve your situation.
                  Stay single and prosper!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Phobos View Post
                    I've been diagnosed with hypogonadism. Apparently I'm going to need Testosterone Cypionate injections every two weeks for the rest of my life. This is kind of depressing news, but I am happy it wasn't a pituitary tumor like they thought it might be.
                    I'd seriously consider NOT starting this treatment just yet. Simply because once started on testosterone replacement, your body will cease to manufacture any and you'll be a slave to the treatments.. but you've already eluded to that..

                    what I would try, at least at first, before doing such a drastic treatment, is to try eating foods that force your body to build testosterone naturally. The best things for that are fresh red raw beet juice, nuts (not peanuts) and various other foods and vitamins and minerals... a simple google search will expose you to the foods you can start to consume to build testosterone naturally.. believe me it works. I've done a beet, kale, apple, and orange juice regimine with great success. The Kale does something a bit different though.. It causes the liver to extract excess estrogen in your body and expel it... The net difference between increased testosterone and a reduction in estrogen will bring great gains in your overall health...

                    good luck.
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                    • #25
                      In Mexico, walk into a pharmacy and ask for Androgel, testosterone pills. They aren't as powerful as the injections, but they also don't take a prescription. And, they are not linked with an increase in prostate cancer as the injections are.

                      If you want your testosterone checked, walk into a lab and ask them to do it. You might have to hit the Internet to evaluate the results.

                      Ditto for all the usual lab tests. You don't need no stinkin' doctor.

                      As far as weight loss, the best way for most folks is still low carb. In my limited opinion, Atkins (my choice), or the beta diet, I forget what it's called, or Paleo, all are essentially reduced carb.

                      But, all you need do is cut back on carbs, add a multi-vitamin and several calcium-D pills a day, a 1/4 teaspoon of salt, and the weight should come off, slowly.

                      And, no, you do not need carbs for extreme effort activities, such as power lifting. It takes a couple weeks to shift your body from high carb to high fat diets. THE NEW ATKINS FOR THE NEW YOU is the current book if you are interested, and it includes information on Atkins curing diabetes type II, also on shifting to high fat for power lifting.

                      If you are 50 pounds overweight, DO NOT let those stupid bastards get you out running and hurting yourself. Atkins induces a weight loss because as you eat more fat and less carbs, it is normal for your body to shift to burning fat, including your own, Without exercise.

                      Atkins originally did not mention exercise, because he knew it was not needed to lose weight. The Monday evening quarter-backs threw such a tantrum, he added it to later books. Exercise is good for you, for many reasons. But, don't harm yourself by trying to exercise while you are still horribly obese.

                      Walking is fine if you can avoid joint problems, with good shoes and walking modest distances on safe surfaces. If you have a large enough room or basement, like 60 feet long, you can walk in the house or apartment building. Walk down 60 feet, turn slowly (don't strain your joints) and walk back 60 feet. Do that 11 times and you have walked a quarter mile.

                      This eliminates street crime and getting run down by a druggie driver or texter. Also, weather problems.

                      Boredom will be a limiting factor. I have learned to do that loop in my Big Room, (70 feet long) while meditating on whatever I want, and counting laps with my fingers. Ten, then walk to the bar in the kitchen and note a 1 for a quarter mile, and take a drink of water (something special I need.) .I do it with some sort of rubber flip-flops my wife bought me. To walk outside puts me (at age 75) at risk of falling or hurting my joints on the rocks and uneven surface.

                      If you develop joint problems, with walking, read up on bone broth, which is essentially made by buying bones from hogs or beef from a butcher or store and boiling them for say 24 hours, or with a pressure cooker or crockpot (if electricity is modestly priced where you live.)

                      A cup a day or twice can really fix up an ankle or knee problem.

                      If you wish, find a copy, new or used of RUNNER'S REPAIR MANUAL.

                      One thing to look out for. No matter what diet or other thing you do, there will be young stallions who tell you, "Pooh! Pooh! I do this other thing and it works great."

                      Yep, at 30 that may well work. But, unless the collapse coming any day now to a nation near you, kills you quickly, you will eventually get old. And, what worked at 30 may put you in a wheel chair when you are 50 or 60. Look around you and you will see what I mean.

                      Traditional wisdom is to look at a woman's mother to see what she will be like when she is old. If you want to know what you will be like when you are old, look at your father -- if you have been allowed to know him. Unless you live totally differently, you will probably look like him when you are his age. MGTOW and other unmarrieds stand a better chance of not looking like their dad. Ditto for those who GTHO.

                      But, the big thing is to know yourself. Do not just assume you will be different because you want to be different. Think long and hard.

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                      • #26
                        I decided to try it out for a time and see how it goes. I've only had the one injection. If I don't notice a sizable change in quality of life, I won't continue.
                        But at physical therapy I noticed I suddenly seemed to be doing a lot better.

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                        • #27
                          I'm 43 and I have been using NATESTO for about 6 months which is a nasal gel. It has really helped me regain energy. My T was so low that it was almost immeasurable. I am due for new blood work to see where my T is now.. But I definitely feel much better.

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