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    killer....that is...pornography, particular that which involves sadism, masochism, or angry domination type sex. Also, reading literature like murder books and comics or fantasies of rape and murder are very dangerous. Do you think that there are a class of people who have a vulnerability that pornography addiction could trigger them to commit homicide?

    Obviously, the vast majority of men that are daily viewers of porn will not act on a fantasy to rape or kill someone. However...there may be...what Bundy says...a small percentage of people out there that will naturally be very vulnerable to certain comics, slasher films, pornos, or novels involving sex rape and sex murder. Also, despite the vast majority of men never acting on such fantasies, that doesn't mean that porn addiction often leads to those kinds of fantasies and obsessions that never are practiced.

    Ussually the fantasies begin in childhood and are acted out on animals. Most people who experience sexual arousal as a result of violent porn, or murder comics or novels Films etc. are not sociopaths and will never nor feel the need to let it turn into something more than a paraphilia or fantasy to achieve sexual arousal and orgasm. For those who are sociopaths, it is a very dangerous addiction to get involved in because the obsession will chronically become more severe, and the addiction will chronically demand more and more that the fantasy become more real. If the person has no ability to feel empathy, this can and often does lead to harming other people.

    IN this interview he says Ted: I’m no social scientist, and I don’t pretend to believe what John Q. Citizen thinks about this, but I’ve lived in prison for a long time now, and I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence. Without exception, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography - deeply consumed by the addiction. The F.B.I.’s own study on serial homicide shows that the most common interest among serial killers is pornographers. It’s true.

    JCD: What would your life have been like without that influence?

    Ted: I know it would have been far better, not just for me, but for a lot of other people - victims and families. There’s no question that it would have been a better life. I’m absolutely certain it would not have involved this kind of violence.



    Also...do you think he looks genuinely remorseful and contrite in that interview?

    Also, Bundy was overly defensive of his mother and she was his primary and only advocate in court and he was very protective of her not ever feeling even slightly responsible for how he turned out. So to try to defend her, he gives an innacurate view of his childhood. He says he came from a good home. What he fails to mention, is his mother lied to him and kept him believing that she was his sister and that his grand parents were his parents so that he wouldn't know he was illegitimate.

    This dishonest and deceptive behavior from his mother and grandparents most certainly had toxic and confusing effects on the young developing mind.
    Last edited by Milford Cubicle; 12-25-2014, 09:03 PM.

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    Ted Bundy was like a chameleon. His anti-porn crusade during which he blamed hardcore porn for his crimes was desperate hailmary final attempt to worm himself out of the chair by presenting himself a useful devil to the inflencial anti-pornography pro censorship forces on the religious right.

    He was trying to restyle himself as a monster that would give social conservatives on the christian right a power potent and culturally signifcant lightening rod with which to push through censorship focused initatives and reforms.

    Don't buy it for a second. Bundy knew by that point that he'd run out chances. This one was a long shot and it thankfully failed.

    When ever I study Bundy in detail I'm reminded of Robert Patricks rival terminator T-1000 in T2. This strange almost demonic organism that changes and shifts how it presents itself and melts and reforms in whatever different ways it needs to to achieve it's objectives.

    Bundy had more in common with that thing in that movie than he did with any man or women you'd care to meet.
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    • #3
      Psychopaths really aren't introspective. They will deflect blame onto other sources, instead of accepting it on themselves.
      Porn might have had an influence, but again...he was a psychopath incapable of really looking at his own culpability.

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      • #4
        okay.
        Yeah it's a question I ask a lot. Maybe it's time I accept that the answer is, "he is full of shit".

        One thing the porn can do is make the fantasy more intense and realistic. this can trigger a greater obsession and preoccupation with it.

        Wouldn't you say...the more intense the addiction to a deviant sexual fantasy becomes, the more the likelihood of acting out will become?

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        • #5
          Buddy said this when he was in prison -- for the sort of crimes which were bad enough so prison officials would be given a pass if news came out that he had been tortured to death by prison inmates. In which case, can we trust anything he says is accurate, or was he not just saying stuff to please the right people? In my mind, it wasn't pornography he would have been deeply involved with, but a particular organization powerfully associated with most pornographers. And, probably a drug abuser too. Drug abuse, particularly of extreme uppers like cocaine and crystal meth, can in many cases intensify certain minor sociopathic tendencies. In certain parts of the gay world, it's well known among some that certain drugs can be used to "train" someone into getting into all sorts of things they would not normally have a fetish for. Crystal meth is one. Maybe cocaine too. I think crystal meth is considered to be the more addictive drug, though.
          Last edited by dmschlom; 12-25-2014, 09:52 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Maxx View Post
            Ted Bundy was like a chameleon. His anti-porn crusade during which he blamed hardcore porn for his crimes was desperate hailmary final attempt to worm himself out of the chair by presenting himself a useful devil to the inflencial anti-pornography pro censorship forces on the religious right.

            He was trying to restyle himself as a monster that would give social conservatives on the christian right a power potent and culturally signifcant lightening rod with which to push through censorship focused initatives and reforms.

            Don't buy it for a second. Bundy knew by that point that he'd run out chances. This one was a long shot and it thankfully failed.

            When ever I study Bundy in detail I'm reminded of Robert Patricks rival terminator T-1000 in T2. This strange almost demonic organism that changes and shifts how it presents itself and melts and reforms in whatever different ways it needs to to achieve it's objectives.

            Bundy had more in common with that thing in that movie than he did with any man or women you'd care to meet.
            It was probably drugs, not porn. But could he even say it was drugs, while in prison, without risking severe violence and all sorts of retaliation? Who runs the drug rings? Public officials closely affiliated with those running the prisons.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dmschlom View Post
              It was probably drugs, not porn. But could he even say it was drugs, while in prison, without risking severe violence and all sorts of retaliation? Who runs the drug rings? Public officials closely affiliated with those running the prisons.
              Originally posted by dmschlom View Post
              Buddy said this when he was in prison -- for the sort of crimes which were bad enough so prison officials would be given a pass if news came out that he had been tortured to death by prison inmates. In which case, can we trust anything he says is accurate, or was he not just saying stuff to please the right people? In my mind, it wasn't pornography he would have been deeply involved with, but a particular organization powerfully associated with most pornographers. And, probably a drug abuser too. Drug abuse, particularly of extreme uppers like cocaine and crystal meth, can in many cases intensify certain minor sociopathic tendencies. In certain parts of the gay world, it's well known among some that certain drugs can be used to "train" someone into getting into all sorts of things they would not normally have a fetish for. Crystal meth is one. Maybe cocaine too. I think crystal meth is considered to be the more addictive drug, though.
              He claims he was under the influence of alcohol in almost all of his murders. The surviving victim carol Da ronch said she smelled alcohol on his breath. There is no evidence nor has he ever said that he ever used Cocaine or meth or any other drug.

              Speaking of people getting tortured to death in prison. I wouldn't want that to happen to almost anyone but would like them to be put out of their misery quickly. I'd enjoy watching Gacy get tortured though. That asshole went to his grave denying that he did anything wrong and antagonizing the family members of the victims and making up insults and calumny about the victims.

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              • #8
                OMG I just read about him on wikipedia:

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

                Look, there is just no way "hard core pornography" is going to be compatible with extreme sexual fetishes like this. Or, at least, a very pertinent question any reporter could have asked him was "why did you limit yourself to hard core pornography, when cocaine has by far the strongest arousal effect?"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Milford Cubicle View Post
                  He claims he was under the influence of alcohol in almost all of his murders. The surviving victim carol Da ronch said she smelled alcohol on his breath. There is no evidence nor has he ever said that he ever used Cocaine or meth or any other drug.

                  Speaking of people getting tortured to death in prison. I wouldn't want that to happen to almost anyone but would like them to be put out of their misery quickly. I'd enjoy watching Gacy get tortured though. That asshole went to his grave denying that he did anything wrong and antagonizing the family members of the victims and making up insults and calumny about the victims.
                  Well, I just know that all the gay men who are really rotten sadistic bastards don't limit themselves to alcohol. They are all into crystal meth. Crystal meth and cocaine are big uppers which have hyper sexualization as one of their effects. Alcohol is a downer.

                  IF he was going crystal meth or cocaine during all of these murders, the degree of corruption the war on drugs is responsible for would essentially have resulted in him being forced to keep quiet about it, under pain of very horrible treatment by prison guards. The horrible truth about our criminal justice system is, it's designed to enforce silence about certain things. Enough so it's perfectly possible he could have been a cocaine or crystal meth addict, and all of it was covered up. Look at the corrupt handling of the Matthew Shepard case.

                  And note, the murder of Matthew Shepard happened after the killers had been on a crystal meth binge. Look at the effects of crystal meth.

                  http://www.behavioral.net/article/cr...-among-gay-men

                  "In the 90s and early 2000s, meth became the most used illicit drug among urban gay and bisexual men," Sloane said. "Crystal meth is harder to control than other abused drugs because of its pharmacology."

                  When used, crystal meth causes the user's brain to produce abnormally high levels of dopamine. Users experience increased energy, prolonged sexual performance and supressed appetite. It also causes intense sexual desire which can lead to sexually risky behaviors.

                  "The neurological effects of meth are a sense of power, inflated confidence, hypersexuality and it neutralizes negative feelings," Sloane said. "So once they use, those feelings of shame and guilt go away. But they also use unsafe sex practices which could lead to HIV."

                  Sloane added that the Internet is the single most influencing factor into how gay men have sex and do drugs. It also plays a prominent role in relapse.
                  Problem is, crystal meth turns gay men into bug chasers. I don't know how this develops but the specific effects of the drugs responds very strongly to peer pressure. So if gay men are given crystal meth and then subjected to sexual peer pressure, they become bug chasers. You can literally go to certain online sites and you will find guys with profiles saying "I want a man to give me his dirty seed." Or something like that. What they mean is -- they want to get infected with HIV. I'd have to go look it up, some of the sites, to remember all the different words they use that indicate a desire to become infected. I could, if I went to the trouble, find some files I have on my computer --- graphics files --- that show some of the profiles I have come across.

                  Most HIV positive gay men I have talked to have told me the drugs they use that treat HIV cost their insurance $50,000 a year alone. Drug companies make huge amounts off of HIV. The profits made off HIV are enormous and the use of crystal meth by communities of "bug chasers" is probably connected somehow. Aka, pharmaceutical companies are probably figuring out sneaky ways to encourage it. A few gay men have told me they know stuff like that happens. Many more have simply responded "it probably is true" when I have asked them do they know anything about that.
                  Last edited by dmschlom; 12-25-2014, 10:21 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Here. Read up on the history of crystal meth:

                    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-901755.html

                    OH MY GOD NOW ISN'T THAT INTERESTING.

                    It was first used in Nazi Germany.

                    Think that's an accident?

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                    • #11
                      See I remember once talking to this lawyer who was a gay man. Who told me, it is possible to train the brain to "fetishize" and "sexualize" pretty much any activity you want to get them to fetishize. And, crystal meth can aid in that. Almost like the way some monks who meditate are able to develop a huge amount of control over their blood pressure and heart rates and body rhythms. But peer pressure is important with sexuality. But, I've spoken to a bunch of gay men for whom this seems to be common knowledge. Which makes me start to wonder, recall in Nazi Germany they conducted all sorts of medical experiments. Don't you think, they must have studied male (and female sexuality) and how it can be manipulated with drugs in Nazi Germany too?

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                      • #12
                        I know that crystal meth does cause the mind to obsess about sex and does change the nature of sexual fantasies.

                        literally on crystal meth I have spent more than 6 hours straight watching pornography and downloading videos off the internet. crystal meth is just terrible.

                        I overcame the addiction 8 years ago but did sadly smoke some about 6 weeks ago.

                        don't ever intend to touch the s*** again.

                        I think pornography addiction is bad because what it teaches somebody is to serve them self and it's all self gratification and also creates very unrealistic expectations of women that they can't meet. I only feel good about myself if I am able to give a female pleasure and after satiating my l ust with pornography I just feel ashamed of myself.
                        Last edited by Milford Cubicle; 12-25-2014, 11:41 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Interesting. Well I am thinking again of the wikipedia article on Ted Bundy. Honestly, I need to point something out. Yes, reading it portrays his murders as sensational. However, use your brain, think about it. He is no different from your garden variety hit man who casually does what he does for $20K a pop or however much it is. However, I have to wonder about how much his murders help play into the various political narratives there were out there, among both Republican right wing types (tough on crime) and carceral feminist types with an interest in pushing the population into supporting mass incarceration.

                          ooooh interesting -- from wikipedia:

                          In 1971 he took a job at Seattle's Suicide Hotline crisis center. There he met and worked alongside Rule, a former Seattle police officer and aspiring crime writer who would later write one of the definitive Bundy biographies, The Stranger Beside Me. Rule saw nothing disturbing in Bundy's personality at the time, describing him as "kind, solicitous, and empathetic".
                          Anyone who works for suicide hotline centers, rape crisis centers, or anything like that is ...... well they don't just hire anyone. They hire only those who they know will be discreet and who will also "forget" things when it's convenient for the system that certain facts be forgotten, and to "remember" other things (untrue things) when it's convenient for the system that they "remember" those things.

                          Another interesting thing:

                          In the fall of 1973 Bundy matriculated at UPS Law School[52] and continued courting Brooks, who flew to Seattle several times to stay with him. They discussed marriage; at one point he introduced her to Davis as his fiancée.[26] In January 1974, however, he abruptly broke off all contact; her phone calls and letters went unreturned. Finally reaching him by phone a month later, Brooks demanded to know why Bundy had unilaterally ended their relationship without explanation. In a flat, calm voice, he replied, "Stephanie, I have no idea what you mean ..." and hung up. She never heard from him again.[53]
                          A lot of gay men do this kind of thing, and I'm sure straight men and women too (I just don't know about that by experience). Like it's part of a certain subculture of people who do stuff like that.

                          I notice that a lot of his victims seem to have been connected in some way to "the system" -- aka, the criminal justice-police-charity-healthcare conglomerate. One of his victims was a registered nurse, another was the daughter of a chief of police.

                          In addition, other websites say that he killed a lot of men too, and may have been gay, but that was covered up.

                          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ictim-MAN.html

                          See now when did Nixon ramp up the war on drugs? Because, that's the thing. The beginning of the war on drugs WOULD have caused sudden financial incentives for various criminal drug dealer types to want to systematically intimidate police and healthcare concerns, because while bribery works, it's cheaper to do a combination of bribery and systematic intimidation through hit men. I mean, it's all economics, you know.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Milford Cubicle View Post
                            I know that crystal meth does cause the mind to obsess about sex and does change the nature of sexual fantasies.

                            literally on crystal meth I have spent more than 6 hours straight watching pornography and downloading videos off the internet. crystal meth is just terrible.

                            I overcame the addiction 8 years ago but did sadly smoke some about 6 weeks ago.

                            don't ever intend to touch the s*** again.

                            I think pornography addiction is bad because what it teaches somebody is to serve them self and it's all self gratification and also creates very unrealistic expectations of women that they can't meet. I only feel good about myself if I am able to give a female pleasure and after satiating my l ust with pornography I just feel ashamed of myself.
                            Question: I was always tought, in drug classes, that the first high on meth is the highest high a person ever gets, then a chemical is activated in the brain that counteracts the meth, and each subsequent high is not quite as high as the last, so when you get high again your always chasing the first high.

                            Do you find that to be true. I've never tried it, or any other drug, except alcohol.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by theplummer View Post
                              Question: I was always tought, in drug classes, that the first high on meth is the highest high a person ever gets, then a chemical is activated in the brain that counteracts the meth, and each subsequent high is not quite as high as the last, so when you get high again your always chasing the first high.

                              Do you find that to be true. I've never tried it, or any other drug, except alcohol.
                              interesting that you should say that.

                              the first time I did meth it was when I was 16 when I violated probation and ran away from home. that was the only time I ever hulucinated it off of meth. I like to go into the woods and just tweaked all night long.

                              I saw a cute little dog run across the snow and run up to me and then just disappeared

                              I also saw a big tall Lurkey person walk across the street and then disappear on the other side.

                              it was the only time in my life I ever saw hallucinations like that. it was so pleasurable I chewed a hole through my bottom lip and couldn't stop talking. when I went to Rocky Mountain treatment center that same year someone asked me what the best day of my life was. I said the first time I did crystal meth.

                              I actually didn't do it again for years. never felt like that again from it.

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