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    Hi,

    fist of all, thx to simpleman for finding that treasure trove of articles.

    Here's an article on why men die earlier, except that it it, of course, not about gender, but about caucasian/afro-amrican differences wrt. to treatment in society.
    Change black/white to man/woman etc. whereever they occur ....

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/u...ur-health.html

    M

  • #2
    Seriously discrimination causes breast cancer (in black women) ?

    Who knew heh?


    reminds me of the old joke...

    Why do married men die young?


    ...its because they want to.
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

    And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

    "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
    "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

    "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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    • #3
      I commented on a cancer thread that all people I knew who had cancer were nasty, ornery individuals, until they faced death.

      Seems to be a similar viewpoint... Though that may just be my opinion.

      Dr. Still, founder of osteopathic medicine had a similar belief, though I have been unable to find a copy of his big book and thus am going by memory for something I read in that book years ago. He said your emotions affect the organs which can affect your health.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by polite_disagreement View Post
        I commented on a cancer thread that all people I knew who had cancer were nasty, ornery individuals, until they faced death.
        Well, its only anecdotal but my step-father who died fairly recently (of cancer), was a thoroughly good person.

        he was just an aberration I suppose?

        or perhaps, deep in his heart (where only you can see) he was evil?

        I have an alternate theory.
        People who stack opinions rather than facts, are very very stupid
        "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

        And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

        "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
        "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

        "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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        • #5
          Fuck cancer. If diagnosed, I'll go out on my own motherfucking terms, and I may just make a social statement while doing so.

          Last edited by oldblueeyes; 06-13-2017, 01:32 AM.
          Stay single and prosper!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by oldblueeyes View Post
            Fuck cancer. If diagnosed, I'll go out on my own motherfucking terms, and I may just make a social statement while doing so.


            It's not as easy when it's your 7-year old son that's diagnosed.
            FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
            It's time to call it out for what it is.



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            • #7
              Originally posted by mr_e View Post
              It's not as easy when it's your 7-year old son that's diagnosed.
              Yep, that's got to be one of every parent's greatest fears.
              Stay single and prosper!

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              • #8
                I said very clearly on that thread that I said what I did, based solely on all the people I have ever known who had cancer. Others made it clear that was not their experience. That is what forums are for, for people to share different opinions and experiences.

                My brother who has cancer is a world class a'hole. Some years ago, before we retired (we worked at the same company) we were talking on a Friday afternoon to a mutual friend, a fairly young widow.

                She commented about how young her husband was when he died. My a'hole brother told her, "He died because that was the only way out. No matter what he did, you were on his ass, morning, noon, and night. No matter what he did you were never happy with it. He died because he wanted to die."

                I thought. "Wow, even for an a'hole like him, that is hitting her awfully hard."

                Monday morning, she told us, "What you told me was very upsetting. I cried and cried all weekend. Finally, I realized you were correct. I never gave him a kind word no matter what he did. If he was out shoveling the snow so I could go to work, I complained how long it took him." And, so forth.

                I worked with another woman who figured it out while he was still alive. One day she told me, "I have been married a long time. Last year, I realized I was criticizing and finding fault with him no matter what he did. If he did something I asked, I was complaining about the next thing on my list. No matter what he did, I was angry. Now, that I realized all he ever wanted was to make me happy. I hope I can make it up to him before he dies."

                And, in her biography, Maria von Trapp wrote pretty much the same thing. After the Captain died, in the USA, she went through some real hard times, realizing she had done the same thing. Pissed off all the time, no matter how hard he tried to please her. But, she didn't figure it out while he was still alive.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by polite_disagreement View Post
                  I said very clearly on that thread that I said what I did, based solely on all the people I have ever known ....
                  Thats right numbnuts...that is what a forum is for.

                  viciousness disguised as polite disagreeableness is like that pretty purple spot on the end of yr nose ... yet to metastasize

                  but, I hope you live for ever :-)
                  "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                  And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                  "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                  "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                  "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                  • #10
                    Let me see, I am vicious. But, when you call me numbnuts, you are , what?

                    If you actually read that thread on cancer, I admitted my view was wrong because it was based solely on my own experiences, which do not reflect the world.. So, why do you keep hammering on me for it? I think the word is vicious, no?

                    However, even though I agreed my view was false based only on my own experiences, and the others corrected me, let me point out I still do not know any of the good people you guys know who got cancer. My brother is one of the orneriest people I know. And, I still do not know any kids who got cancer. I did accept the knowledge of others. Once I thought it through, I realized and said so that my own experiences were not representative of the world. So, please carry on with the nasty if it makes you feel better about yourself.

                    Admitting I was wrong should be sufficient, and I did, clearly. If that isn't enough, then I will be impolite by saying GFY.

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                    • #11
                      Because we seem to have a lot of misunderstandings on this board, let me explain if for those with reading problems.

                      On a comment about cancer, I think it was, I said correctly that everyone I had known with cancer was extremely ornery, though I don't remember the exact words. And, that I had never known personally a kid with cancer. Both of these things were and still are true.

                      But, when people posted that my experiences did not correctly represent reality overall, my first comment back was that I needed to 1. Reach down. 2. Grab both ears. 3. Pull.

                      In other words, I admitted that I had had my head up my ***. I think that was a pretty abject admission I was in the wrong. So, is this a SJW thing, where if you mess up you are guilty forever, or what?

                      Yet, I got called numbnuts and vicious. So, tell me right out if admitting I had my head up my *** isn't enough, exactly what is enough? Blowing out my brains? What?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by polite_disagreement View Post
                        So, is this a SJW thing, where if you mess up you are guilty forever, or what?
                        Safest time to kick, when a man's down, innit?

                        M

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                        • #13
                          Not long ago, a man on a board or blog cursed all men of my generation. He went on at great length, sending us to the hottest parts of Hell for all eternity. Why? Because we did nothing to stop the feminist attacks on men. We were cowards who did nothing while all our human; civil; legal; and constitutional rights were systematically eliminated.

                          Why did he think we did nothing? Because he personally knew nothing about what we did. How could he? The press in those days had complete control of the news, and they were liberal lying, scheming, leftie misandrists back then, too. No Internet and we had to communicate by newsletter, usually monthly.

                          I am not the only activist from those days. There are others still out there who went through it.

                          But, since Google doesn't pick us up we don't exist in the curser's eyes.

                          So, what did we do? As far as I can tell, much more than most so-called activists today. We did learn that activism simply cannot work as long as the majority of voters are women, plus a lot of White Knights on their side.

                          I had been writing militant op-eds to the local newspaper, in a city of around 100,000 people, for some years. In 1984, two members of a local Father's Rights Group committed suicide, one of them with gasoline in a public place. The local newspaper declined to cover the event, saying that it was a private matter. We all knew if a dearie killed herself over unpaid child support, it would be on the front page of very newspaper in the country for 10,000 years. [sarcasm.]

                          Panicky, they asked me to come help them, At first, I declined. Later, I changed my mind. I realized right away that our meetings had to be designed to keep men alive, first and foremost. The second wives had been attending, supposedly to support us, but they mostly brought cookies and were there to control things. (100% of those helpful second wives eventually divorced their husbands.)

                          So, when we started using meetings as a counseling session they complained we needed to encourage them to take it like men, whatever in Hell that means, and not to whine about their problems. And, they also insisted we had to be fair and spend half our time and money helping dearies. No matter that already the number one job of the government and every government office was helping dearies. We had to be fay-er and use half our limited resources to help them, too!

                          So, I got rid of the Second Wives.

                          I started telephone no-fee counseling for divorced men, and a few non-custodial women, though I would do nothing to help them get their kids back. All together, I spent around 20 hours a week, for the next ten years on various aspects of men's problems. I even taught a few men how to get custody from abusive women, which at that time was considered impossible, even though women commit around 56% of all child abuse.

                          I also managed to get some publicity every few months. Not in our local newspaper, but in the big newspaper in the capitol. Our state president would pick up his local newspaper and there would be something on father's rights from our local.

                          In 1987, after several years of development work, the local feminists wanted in open a visitation center. You know, a mean, evil, rapist dad could in addition to paying all her legal fees for jerking him around; plus property settlement; and alimony and child support, could also pay maybe $50 to see his babies for 2 hours, without being allowed to hold or kiss them.

                          A few weeks before the public announcement, they decided it might work if they could get the male idiots from the FR group to back it. So, they finally sent us a letter asking for our support. We told them we'd need more information before we approved it. We knew very well the real goal of those fiends was to get all men on supervised visitation.

                          A new officer objected, saying he knew the woman and she had visitation problems with her grandkids. We voted to reject it. So, dumass went to her contrary to the vote, told her only one unreasonable man was resistant, gave her the other names and phone numbers. We had an emergency meeting. We tried to explain to him that he couldn't just go and speak for the group contrary to the decisions of the committee. He screamed, "I will not be controlled."

                          The other officers sat there like lumps letting him scream at me, as if it were a private matter between him and me. After a few minutes, I asked who wanted the mailing list and treasury. No one accepted it, so I went home and mailed everything to the state president. The local group returned into the muck from which it came.

                          The state president sent me a letter authorizing me to be counselor-at-large out of his office. So, I continued doing what I had been doing, only one condition was to keep him posted on what I was doing. I kept this up until 1993, and stopped only because most of my hostility came from men I was helping, And, I realized I was enjoying their misery and despair too much to ethically counsel them.

                          Most such groups lasted an average of 18 months. And, they failed the same way. A'holes who had no intention of ever doing anything, but attacking the usually one man who was making everything happen until he gave it up, while the other officers sat like bumps on a log. And, no matter what he did, there was always someone saying, "You are doing it wrong. You are doing it wrong." And, when they finally succeeded in shutting down the group would tell everyone, "I told them they were doing it wrong."

                          That is the reason Paul Elam gets so much more done. His ideas aren't especially different or better than we had. But, you get on his main board and attack a worker and you are gone. Which is the way it has to be. Good ole' Suze is probably the fastest ban-ner in the West.

                          Why don't the men of my generation come out and tell you what they did? If you even have to ask, re-read the above. No matter how you report it, you will be attacked. If nothing else, and you actually did a lot, as I did, you will be accused of bragging. So, for the most part the modern MRA;MHRA: FRA does not even deserve to know the history of the men's movement.

                          Men are gaining, though. The marriage strike and expatting and celibacy is putting on a squeeze. When women have all the political power, men have nothing to take from women to force change. With the marriage strike, a lot of women are in a big hurt. Most of them still think maybe they will find a traditional husband, but the numbers of women who know they have screwed the pooch is growing.

                          My opinion hasn't changed, though, that total collapse of the US is due any moment. Unwin has too much data and everything is following along his views. Loss of religion; loss of productivity and innovation; social meltdown; you name it.

                          Numbnuts? Really? Ala CYRANO if you were intelligent, you should be able to do better than that.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by polite_disagreement View Post
                            Because we seem to have a lot of misunderstandings on this board, let me explain if for those with reading problems.

                            On a comment about cancer, I think it was, I said correctly that everyone I had known with cancer was extremely ornery, though I don't remember the exact words. And, that I had never known personally a kid with cancer. Both of these things were and still are true.

                            But, when people posted that my experiences did not correctly represent reality overall, my first comment back was that I needed to 1. Reach down. 2. Grab both ears. 3. Pull.

                            In other words, I admitted that I had had my head up my ***. I think that was a pretty abject admission I was in the wrong. So, is this a SJW thing, where if you mess up you are guilty forever, or what?

                            Yet, I got called numbnuts and vicious. So, tell me right out if admitting I had my head up my *** isn't enough, exactly what is enough? Blowing out my brains? What?
                            just stop talking idiot.

                            for apparently the smartest guy in the room, you sure do have a penchant for repeatedly saying very dumb stuff.
                            "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                            And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                            "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                            "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                            "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by polite_disagreement View Post
                              Not long ago, a man on a board or blog cursed all men of my generation.
                              I'll continue to nurse my curbed enthusiasm for Unwin; but your stories, and your story, are great.

                              I have similar experiences from union work. How to break that pattern...?


                              M

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