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  • #16
    Originally posted by simpleman View Post
    Wow, that is really awesome.

    I personally don't have the tools or the skills to pull something like that out...

    So what kind of guitar you have in mind? like desing, how many pickups, style of pickups.. stuff like that...

    I am looking right now into either building me (this is getting parts and put them together) or fixing a Danelectro U1.

    Hadn't really thought about it. In our case my goal is in working with my kids to instill STEM skills. We have built our CNC router-- I'm in the process of building a newer, bigger one now-- 3D printer, etc. He is taking guitar lessons and I thought it would be a great way to get him engaged in various CAD and project skills to build him a guitar. We'll layer up some walnut or something to cut the body from, and then some rosewood I guess to make the neck, and the rest we'll probably buy as my main interest in this is getting him learning about the machines and processes. We've also been doing little music and sound-related electronics projects this year. Our most recent one was making an electronic guitar tuner around a pcb mike, an opamp, and an arduino mcu. That one was fun.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by simpleman View Post
      Do you have anything to offer to the debate,
      I just did, and more than once, but your'e far too thick in the head to understand it.

      Originally posted by simpleman View Post
      besides your personal attacks on me?
      Look Simpleton, if you use the forum to continually loop people here that disagree with you into a deplorables basket then I'm gonna keep pointing out how childish and simplistic that is.

      If telling you that yr dim, simplistic, childish, disingenuous makes you feel like youre being personally attacked ...meh, then sure I suppose I'm guilty.
      But Im also guilty of trying to prompt you into a more responsible and accountable mode of being.
      Not that you could ever see that.
      From my pov, it is you that makes the challenge every time you double-down with the SJW half-think.

      Taken over the last few days then certainly I have been attacking (you personally? I suppose if thats the way you have to see it), what you may forget though is that you have had a presence here for quite some time and although I'm not some auto-didact, I have a pretty good recollection of your previous posts and the points you like to make.
      And the fact is, you've dug yourself a neat hole to dump everybody in and used the dirt to form a little mound from which you like to crow SJW themed gibberish.

      Now just because somebody says something dumb it doenst make them stupid, on the other hand if somebody continually says dumb stuff ... well, you get the idea.
      Why dont you take the opportunity as a challenge back?
      Maybe sharpen your points?
      Perhaps stop laying blame for the difficulties of the world on everybody except YOURSELF?
      Have you ever stopped to consider that your general POV could be horribly corrupted by ideological bullshit? No? Never? Not even a little bit?
      Perhaps a good starting point would be stop saying (either implicitly or explicitly) that everybody is a sexist, nazi, bigot

      And mate, every time you crow the words 'Matrix is victimising me".... that's just you trying to playing victim-poker.
      go on double-down

      I dunno, maybe you really just dont how to deal with it.
      Maybe you could take some pointers from some people here ...unless theyre all just too deplorable of course
      Still asking yourself what your'e doing in this place?
      If yr politics dont fit, and yr world view is in opposition to maybe, I dunno, 90% of the others in here.
      What would you be trying to achieve here?
      In a room full of cranky old men?

      Anyway...

      fight back be clever, be deft, be sharp, be fast, be consistent ....be anything except a whining SJW
      you wanna stay victim all yr life?
      I'd be genuinely happy to see you grow up just a little bit man-child

      None of this is meant to be in opposition to anything anybody else said about you.
      Just to put the record straight I agree broadly with Void, M, Dubs, MrE ... and TN (yep all of them).
      I just havent said so because am not interested in blowing smoke up yr arse
      Im interested in challenging you to THINK dammit.

      See Simpleton the world isnt black and white, and I find it relatively easy to hold conflicting ideas of you in my head all at the same time.
      I dont have a need to factor you as right, wrong or otherwise
      Makes me wonder though, why it seems that you do.

      Occasionally I get a glimse that you are but then rapidly see my hope disappear.
      You do have a deft way of stating in the premise of a post that you're going to even-handed and then by the end of the post you finish with some old preposterous SJW idiocy

      I know you believe it all too. It unmissable.
      Hmpht, so you didnt like Bill Whittle's video?
      Interesting because mate, it was all about you.
      Did you drop him a line in reply and complain that he was attacking you?
      Lemme guess what Bill would tell you in response.

      Anyway, I also happen to have my own determined and crafty ways .
      You just dont like them ... theyre confronting, they may even compel you think (for yourself)

      And dude, if yr reading everybody else's comments in reply your recent threads as a validation then yr even dimmer that I thought.

      Your turn ... dig yourself outta this ... and please, do try not to whinge
      "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

      And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

      "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
      "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

      "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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      • #18
        PS. Ive seen that video before but thanks anyway
        "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

        And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

        "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
        "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

        "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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        • #19
          Originally posted by mr_e View Post
          Our most recent one was making an electronic guitar tuner around a pcb mike, an opamp, and an arduino mcu. That one was fun.
          Love the arduino.
          Who coded yr frequency stuff? Yr missus? Clever.

          My missus and I have plans for an interactive piece of art that responds to light, sound, proximity....even velocity of stuff in it's near-field.
          One day.
          Last edited by MatrixTransform; 08-21-2017, 06:06 AM.
          "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

          And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

          "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
          "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

          "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MatrixTransform View Post
            I just did, and more than once, but your'e far too thick in the head to understand it.
            Yeah... your point is that it is not worthy to talk to me... so.. why wasting words here now?

            If telling you that yr dim, simplistic, childish, disingenuous makes you feel like youre being personally attacked ...meh, then sure I suppose I'm guilty.
            But Im also guilty of trying to prompt you into a more responsible and accountable mode of being.
            Not that you could ever see that.
            From my pov, it is you that makes the challenge every time you double-down with the SJW half-think.
            From my pov, it looks like you are projecting... for example you say that I blame whatever in others.. .though I have not done this... you blame a lot on the media the liberals and so on and go on...

            Have you ever stopped to consider that your general POV could be horribly corrupted by ideological bullshit? No? Never? Not even a little bit?
            Perhaps... I had years of BS education... I think I have done a fine job getting rid of all that stuff... but who knows...

            Perhaps a good starting point would be stop saying (either implicitly or explicitly) that everybody is a sexist, nazi, bigot
            everybody?...

            Look, say something racists and there is a 20% chance that I point it out...

            And mate, every time you crow the words 'Matrix is victimising me"....
            That is not my quote.

            I dunno, maybe you really just dont how to deal with it.
            Maybe you could take some pointers from some people here ...unless theyre all just too deplorable of course
            Still asking yourself what your'e doing in this place?
            I practice dialectics. I believe that in the exercise of arguments and counter arguments a higher knowledge can be archive...

            I do think that MRA have seriously polarized in the political spectrum... For instance few months ago I had a debate with Maxx, his argument was that you can't be a red piller if you have liberal ideas... Consider the ideological framework that have to be in place just for such debate to be possible.

            I am aware that feminism make a full gender issue about Trump... but that is not excuse to take the opposite position and fully turn political debates into gender issues...

            If yr politics dont fit, and yr world view is in opposition to maybe, I dunno, 90% of the others in here.
            What would you be trying to achieve here?
            In a room full of cranky old men?
            You tell me... why my political profile have to be a fit? since when this is a requirement?

            fight back be clever, be deft, be sharp, be fast, be consistent ....be anything except a whining SJW
            you wanna stay victim all yr life?
            I'd be genuinely happy to see you grow up just a little bit man-child
            O.o

            See Simpleton the world isnt black and white, and I find it relatively easy to hold conflicting ideas of you in my head all at the same time.
            I dont have a need to factor you as right, wrong or otherwise
            Makes me wonder though, why it seems that you do.
            I think i can play moral relativists much better than anyone on this forums.. the thing is that... i don't think the "it is not black and white" comes from such point of view... if anything I perceive that some members of this forum fear that MRAs get targeted in the middle of all this mess... So trying to justify the car attack is basically damage control... at some level.

            Occasionally I get a glimse that you are but then rapidly see my hope disappear.
            You do have a deft way of stating in the premise of a post that you're going to even-handed and then by the end of the post you finish with some old preposterous SJW idiocy
            i am not left, I am not right.

            I know you believe it all too. It unmissable.
            Hmpht, so you didnt like Bill Whittle's video?
            i did not watch it... 10 seconds in, and I was out... I did not like the format, the topic did not interest me at the time, so I close the window...

            By the way, when I am not interested, I close window, I don't just keep clicking on the same topic to keep posting that such debate is a waste of time... I think this is the biggest difference between you and me.

            Interesting because mate, it was all about you.
            Did you drop him a line in reply and complain that he was attacking you?
            Lemme guess what Bill would tell you in response.
            No.

            Anyway, I also happen to have my own determined and crafty ways .
            You just dont like them ... theyre confronting, they may even compel you think (for yourself)
            If anything my complain about your messages is that they are not challenging at all... they are mostly background noise... let me give you few examples:

            "pathetic, trite and full-o-shit boy..."

            "Simpleton is here discussing this in the manner he needs to re-orient his brain so that the cognitive dissonance is gone.
            For him it's simple, meh for him everything is simple."

            "No that's right...your'e a person that sees angry racists everywhere, or fascists, or bigots, or anger, or threats."

            "Simpleton ... careful what spectres you raise lest they haunt you to your frozen end"

            "in any case every word by other commenters gets re-written into the 'must be a nazi script' that is running an endless loop in his head..."

            From all the posts this quotes come from... I have learn nothing, I have improve nothing, I have got nothing... I have get zero substance from that... You can claim that your messages have a lot of hot pepper as you like, but they lack some meat...

            My complain is not that you are attacking me, but that... you are just attacking me and not offering anything else... See?

            "Do you have anything to offer to the debate, besides your personal attacks on me?"

            And dude, if yr reading everybody else's comments in reply your recent threads as a validation then yr even dimmer that I thought.

            Your turn ... dig yourself outta this ... and please, do try not to whinge

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MatrixTransform View Post
              Love the arduino.
              Who coded yr frequency stuff? Yr missus? Clever.

              My missus and I have plans for an interactive piece of art that responds to light, sound, proximity....even velocity of stuff in it's near-field.
              One day.
              Actually I did that. I've tried getting her interested in the electronics stuff, but she's just not into it. Oddly though, it was she who turned me onto the Arduinos. I hadn't realized they'd advanced that far. I used to be a big fan of the 68HC11's. They were the Arduinos of the '90's. And the 8051's before that. And the Z80's and 8080's before that. I took a quick trip through 68000 land for awhile... 68000, 68008, 68010, 68020-- even played with some 68030's for a bit. Then I got into the PIC's and 68HC11's. If you want some real fun though, try using 2901 bit-slice processors and rolling your own. They're all a lot of fun. But time consuming ;-)
              FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
              It's time to call it out for what it is.



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              • #22
                Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                Yeah... your point is that it is not worthy to talk to me... so.. why wasting words here now?
                Whingeing in the first line
                "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                  That is not my quote.
                  you must be a fucking imbecile
                  "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                  And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                  "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                  "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                  "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                    "Do you have anything to offer to the debate, besides your personal attacks on me?"
                    confirmed...braindead
                    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                    And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                    "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                    "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                    "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by mr_e View Post
                      Actually I did that. I've tried getting her interested in the electronics stuff, but she's just not into it. Oddly though, it was she who turned me onto the Arduinos. I hadn't realized they'd advanced that far. I used to be a big fan of the 68HC11's. They were the Arduinos of the '90's. And the 8051's before that. And the Z80's and 8080's before that. I took a quick trip through 68000 land for awhile... 68000, 68008, 68010, 68020-- even played with some 68030's for a bit. Then I got into the PIC's and 68HC11's. If you want some real fun though, try using 2901 bit-slice processors and rolling your own. They're all a lot of fun. But time consuming ;-)
                      What I love is that the IDE rolls together the collected efforts of many many people and makes it all available to be leveraged.

                      Shared code and repositories ... somebody wrote some beautiful timers that I used in a commercial jigger that we manufactured.
                      They made them available with a 'beer license' ... its just brilliant.

                      Nobody has to re-invent the wheel every time a new SoC gets released
                      "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                      And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                      "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                      "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                      "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                        ... but that... you are just attacking me and not offering anything else... See?
                        oh really?

                        you need perhaps, to watch Bill Whittle's video then.

                        ...unless the style makes you feel to uncomfortable of course

                        ...because you inner comfort is the most important thing in the world. Right?


                        You just remember boy, that people just like you ... full of hope, dreams, truth and exasperation ... elected Hitler.

                        Fucking ingenue
                        Last edited by MatrixTransform; 08-21-2017, 09:18 AM.
                        "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                        And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                        "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                        "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                        "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by mr_e View Post
                          Actually I did that.
                          ...nice work Old Man
                          "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                          And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                          "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                          "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                          "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                          • #28
                            Simpleman, you have some good points. You would do better to at least sometimes simply state them and stop assuming you know what other people are thinking.

                            MatrixTransform has made decent arguments, and you've responded with trolling tactics, and he's responded to that with insults.

                            Simpleman, people here are a lot more world wise and life experienced than you seem to be willing to give them credit for. They are wise enough to know not to shut you up, to listen, to think, to respond, to debate, to change and to do it fully visibly. Your point has been made, but it's on you if think people were not already cautious around those issues. You can prioritise issues and points however you like, but when are dealing with others - they can too.

                            MatrixTransform's best point (imho): Those who carry out the tactics of "Nazis" are the "Nazis", and they become everyone's problem when one of them wins. Best option, they are left yelling insults at each other but are not allowed to escalate to violence, are not allowed to censor the other. They are morally equivalent by their behaviour, not their beliefs. At the end of the day if one wins, they will do it to others in search of another victory and they won't stop - that's what makes them Nazis, not the group they hate or the odiousness of their beliefs, but the results of their actions.

                            Simpleman's best point (imho): Sometimes vile is vile, and you call it out as vile, rather than worry that the person screaming vile is actually a self centred exaggerating little pillock whose also been calling you vile. Sometimes doing the right thing, means doing the thing that seems to place you on the same side as a complete shit who wants to shut you down next.

                            Free speech has consequences; when truly exercised it shows you are amongst some with horrible some ideas and how far and fast they can spread those ideas. That's a good consequence, because without it horrible ideas can still spread far and fast but it will be hidden, you won't just be dealing with the ideas, but all the consequences of fear of not knowing. Within each extremist group they don't have free speech, they don't debate and their vilest ideas purify into their most potent forms until immorality, lust for power and control, paranoia and fear make violence their only go to option.

                            Both points from MatrixTransform and Simpleman are bitter pills of attempting to live in a civilised society, human nature isn't going to develop into some angelic state but we can set baselines for what is no longer acceptable, we can fail better towards the best route to keep the peace and act on the warning signs of things going wrong. Neither of those points are easy to do or easy to live with. To the first point you lose some freedoms (such as initiation of force and control over what ideas you are exposed to) in order to have a more free society, to the second point you lose the clean delineations that make you feel comfortable but you get reminded that you are responsible for what you do. Both points together remind that individualism can work only with collective agreement, and that within apparent collectivism, real individualism becomes more necessary.
                            Last edited by voidspawn; 08-21-2017, 03:01 PM.
                            "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
                            Originally posted by menrppl2
                            Can't live with em, life is great without them.

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                            • #29
                              no point rationalizing, he cant hear it.

                              The boy is only here for validation insomuch as he seeks the condemnation to justify the trite politics.

                              So fine, I will give the condemnation, insult, and the arguments all at the same time.

                              My main point is that simplton's posts presume to know what's in the heads and hearts of everybody while having absolutely zero clue about his own inner world.

                              While extreme imbeciles very much like him on both sides, are standing off and shit is burning and people are injuring one another we are left arguing circular gibberish.

                              Ararchist's Rule heh?

                              Apart from it being an oxymoron ... the answer is fucking no

                              Venezuela anybody?
                              "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                              And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                              "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                              "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                              "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by MatrixTransform View Post
                                You just remember boy, that people just like you ... full of hope, dreams, truth and exasperation ... elected Hitler.
                                I am voting for Trump on next elections... I don't think you should say that I will vote for the next Hitler...

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