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  • #31
    Vote for whom ever you want mate ... that's how it works
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

    And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

    "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
    "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

    "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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    • #32
      Originally posted by MatrixTransform View Post
      Venezuela anybody?
      Hugo Chavez was a national socialist... as Trump is one too...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social...e_21st_century

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      • #33
        Hugo Chavez is dead
        "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

        And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

        "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
        "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

        "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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        • #34
          What addled yr head?

          Maduro just gerrymandered the Executive and is currently in the process of seizing control of congress.
          Trump is hanging by the skin of his teeth to a hung parliament

          by pointing out that you've already chosen a side and that in your heart you believe that govt (in it's current form) isnt necessary, you have abandoned all due process.

          a house divided against itself cannot stand.
          "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

          And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

          "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
          "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

          "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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          • #35
            Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
            Simpleman's best point (imho): Sometimes vile is vile, and you call it out as vile, rather than worry that the person screaming vile is actually a self centred exaggerating little pillock whose also been calling you vile. Sometimes doing the right thing, means doing the thing that seems to place you on the same side as a complete shit who wants to shut you down next.
            THat is great...

            I would be much more happy just with a bit of consistency... For example, I don't see much of a difference between neo-nazis and the islamic state...

            So... when those groups attack, I expect a similar kind of reaction... I don't understand different reactions.

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            • #36
              God forbid that you silly fools get what your'e seeking
              "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

              And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

              "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
              "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

              "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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              • #37
                The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he already knows, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.

                -Leo Tolstoy
                "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                • #38
                  Lemme fix that for you
                  Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                  THat is great...

                  I would be much more happy just with a bit of consistency... For example, I don't see much of a difference between neo-nazis, ANTIFA, and the islamic state...

                  So... when those groups attack, I expect a similar kind of reaction... I don't understand different reactions.
                  "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                  And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                  "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                  "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                  "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                  • #39
                    https://theferalirishman.blogspot.co...are-clear.html
                    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                    And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                    "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                    "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                    "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                      THat is great...

                      I would be much more happy just with a bit of consistency... For example, I don't see much of a difference between neo-nazis and the islamic state...

                      So... when those groups attack, I expect a similar kind of reaction... I don't understand different reactions.
                      It's not that complicated, concern for future safety trumps regrets for past harm.

                      And that's the simple bit.

                      It's confusing because people are arguing about the unknown future from their account of the past.

                      Trump calls out ALL violent. That includes the groups the media and others wanted called out by name. But it's not enough, because of the future message implied.

                      Calling out just the far right groups, will lead to a demand for action from the left, action that will go far beyond the guilty person, but extend to those guilty by association, guilty by implication, guilty by accusation. Because that is the power and strategy the left really want, they want the weapon of state power in their hands. (Exactly the same as feminists have done with family court etc)

                      Calling out ALL the groups, worries the media who want to protect terrorists they support, they don't want them locked up, they want them free to act and complete their strategy. Regardless of things being phrased about the loss of a person's life, it isn't about that. None of it is. The right wing is happy to see violent people associated with it locked up because it doesn't want them making its argument, the left wing doesn't want to be seen as disavowing their violent people because collective force is their only argument.

                      Trump did the right thing, because trying to win the argument or serve the political correctness, muddies the already hazy mess that rule of law should be the only thing that directs state violence.

                      Antifa have already declared themselves beyond the rule of law and want to use violent means, but they have people who are individually weak and incompetent at violence, so can only encourage them to be more collectively violent to compensate.

                      The far right groups have declared themselves within the law, they have people who are more capable of violence, but are harder to individually control, they want the threat of violence more than they want the reality, because loss of control of dangerous people will bring down the unmatchable violence of the state upon them. They can beat Antifa to a pulp but not the army nor the police.

                      Antifa can't win a direct violent clash with the far right groups. It needs to push them outside the law to use the state's violence to destroy them. They know they are weak and mob like but that is their tactic. They want to throw bodies, ever more emboldened by getting away with it more and more into it, because they will get killed and force the states hand to act against the far right.

                      It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. You have to try and end the situation.

                      The far right are looking for a fantasy solution within the state that gives them what they want. Their reality is the present and holding onto what they had in the past. The far left's reality is the future control of the state, nothing else matters to them, the past needs to be lost to disconnect people from their individual beliefs and thoughts that make them poor at being a collective. Antifa are pawns to spread disorder and get killed, to the far left the far right are pawns too, to spread fear and do the killing. The far left works hard to make the far right look more dangerous than it is, and the far right work hard to make it look like they are in control of that dangerousness. Both sides are part of a mutually exaggerating game.

                      But it's all about one similar objective, the state's violent power. The far right want it to stand down and let them do what they want, the far left want it stepped up but under their control.

                      When you look at far left strategy it's not about defeating state violence or even developing the capacity to defeat it. It's breaking down trust in whoever is in charge to wield it so that it will be handed over to them. They gamble on this every time. Germany they lost, Russia the Tsar lost. If they can get people scared enough of the far right, and associate Trump as being dangerously connected to the far right. They get control and will demonstrate state power by destroying the far right, and if that gets more extreme and bloody, all to the good, because each escalation of violence lets them embed their control, until a socialist state is implemented.

                      One of the things that far left useful idiots like Antifa need to learn, is that in this game plan. Once their far left leaders have control of state violence, it will crush them with it. They need to clean out the trash, who are acting on emotion, fear and especially those who are acting on a sense of justice and ensure they keep the true believers who act on a cold blooded focus to create a socialist state, who believe so deeply that the human condition must be concluded by a socialist state that any means are acceptable, regardless of how inhuman.

                      The far left without violence is a dream of utopia, they far left with violence is a guarantee of a large dystopia of repression.
                      The far right without violence is an abandonment of utopian dreams, the far right with violence is a guarantee of many dystopias permanently at war.
                      The democratic middle path, is a muddle of win some lose some, you get some good stuff, you get some crappy stuff, if your society learns it gets better, if it forgets it gets worse, if it strays from the wobbling around the middle it lurches to the left or right, and if it doesn't course correct it collapses.

                      Simpleman, you may well get confused by some of the reactions you see, that's because people are at various different places and perspectives on believing and understanding the game plans of the many sides. Seriously be more worried if everyone reacts the same, especially if they all think the same as you.
                      Last edited by voidspawn; 08-22-2017, 01:09 AM.
                      "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
                      Originally posted by menrppl2
                      Can't live with em, life is great without them.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
                        The far right want it to stand down and let them do what they want, the far left want it stepped up but under their control.
                        same as it ever was
                        "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                        And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                        "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                        "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                        "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
                          Trump calls out ALL violent. That includes the groups the media and others wanted called out by name. But it's not enough, because of the future message implied.
                          Yeah... part of the problem is that he call it this way now... so it is normal to ask... what is different about this case?

                          Calling out just the far right groups, will lead to a demand for action from the left, action that will go far beyond the guilty person, but extend to those guilty by association, guilty by implication, guilty by accusation...
                          And what is the problem with that? With going after other member or going after the leadership squares of Vanguard America?


                          Calling out ALL the groups, worries the media who want to protect terrorists they support...
                          You talking here about Al Jazeera... rigth??? you can't seriously here being talking about CNN... are you?

                          Trump did the right thing...
                          Your opinion...

                          Antifa have already declared themselves beyond the rule of law and want to use violent means, but they have people who are individually weak and incompetent at violence, so can only encourage them to be more collectively violent to compensate.
                          Somewhat agree with this... though I am not sure about the part of their individual competence... I think they train or something?

                          The far right groups have declared themselves within the law
                          No the neo-nazis... and no the KKK... but yeah, giving some exceptions... I agree. But then again, it's not the antifa an exception too?

                          they have people who are more capable of violence
                          I would not even know how to start comparing... certainly running people down with a car requires higher levels of violence capability... but that is 1 incident, I will need more data before I am convince who can do worse...

                          Antifa can't win a direct violent clash with the far right groups.
                          They actually did fine at Charlottesville. Also consider that not antifa get runned down by the car... the group that got attacked was not antifa... so also antifa knows how to find good places to hang around and not be like a herd of cattle standing in a corner... trusting that they are safe... Imagine those people.. they thought it was safe for them to gather in that corner and hang out for a while...

                          It needs to push them outside the law to use the state's violence to destroy them.
                          Yeah, that is pretty much half the strategy antifa use.. it is not a secret, they say just as plain as this in their youtube videos.
                          They know they are weak and mob like but that is their tactic. They want to throw bodies, ever more emboldened by getting away with it more and more into it, because they will get killed and force the states hand to act against the far right.
                          Antifa does not care about right or left... for them they are both sides of the same system...

                          It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. You have to try and end the situation.
                          I somewhat sympathize with this... For instance there is this guy claiming that Trump actually overstep his denouncing when he called the driver a "murderer":

                          How Trump's comments on Charlottesville murder suspect may threaten the legal case against him

                          https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ase/572815001/

                          It is a very interesting reading... because apparently we want trump to denounce the groups by names, but not to make any personal comment or some like that... it makes the whole commenting thing extremely complicated...

                          I think at this point that maybe is the best that the president never comments in any event like this... and run it with this kind of policy... because commenting is a very tricky business, apparently... so it should just be a blank policy of no comments. and that is it.

                          So I an sympathetic with this claim that... it is almost impossible to make the exact right comment... yet still the fact that Trump have made so many "I don't care" comments on the past... why he cares about that now... what is different between this case and the others in the past?

                          But it's all about one similar objective, the state's violent power. The far right want it to stand down and let them do what they want, the far left want it stepped up but under their control.
                          That is national policy... it flips 180% when it comes to international policy...

                          The far right want the government to be more violent against people in other nations, while the far left want the government to engage in less international conflicts...



                          When you look at far left strategy it's not about defeating state violence or even developing the capacity to defeat it. It's breaking down trust in whoever is in charge to wield it so that it will be handed over to them.
                          Except the Hippies I guess... they were pretty radical lefties and they opposed so much state control... but then again, maybe is an example of what I say before, they mostly oppose Vietnam, while the Right supported it... there is always this difference between national policy and international policy.

                          They gamble on this every time. Germany they lost, Russia the Tsar lost. If they can get people scared enough of the far right, and associate Trump as being dangerously connected to the far right. They get control and will demonstrate state power by destroying the far right, and if that gets more extreme and bloody, all to the good, because each escalation of violence lets them embed their control, until a socialist state is implemented.
                          In my opinion, the state is already socialist.

                          Now the conflict is between Trump and his brand of National Socialism and the liberal opposition and their International Socialism... And on this conflict National Socialism is the right, and International Socialism is the left... but... at least for me... they both are... socialism.

                          It is like it does not matter much who wins, because the difference between the 2 are subtle enough that it is almost irrelevant. So much so, that we had all this debate about a president with a penis and a president with a vagina... because this was a much bigger and relevant difference between the options, than their ideas.

                          One of the things that far left useful idiots like Antifa need to learn, is that in this game plan. Once their far left leaders have control of state violence, it will crush them with it. They need to clean out the trash, who are acting on emotion, fear and especially those who are acting on a sense of justice and ensure they keep the true believers who act on a cold blooded focus to create a socialist state, who believe so deeply that the human condition must be concluded by a socialist state that any means are acceptable, regardless of how inhuman.
                          Naaa, they not that big to worth the assassination... they probably get some scholarship, and a low interest mortgage...

                          The far left without violence is a dream of utopia, they far left with violence is a guarantee of a large dystopia of repression.
                          100% agree, if you mean here communism.

                          The far right without violence is an abandonment of utopian dreams, the far right with violence is a guarantee of many dystopias permanently at war.
                          So... basically the same?

                          Simpleman, you may well get confused by some of the reactions you see, that's because people are at various different places and perspectives on believing and understanding the game plans of the many sides. Seriously be more worried if everyone reacts the same, especially if they all think the same as you.
                          Well it have definitely being a rollercoaster of horror and laughter... I can tell you...

                          If more people think like me.. I think this would be a really beautiful world... but that mostly because I think I am awesome.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                            I would not even know how to start comparing... certainly running people down with a car requires higher levels of violence capability... but that is 1 incident, I will need more data before I am convince who can do worse...
                            Jeez... What FUCKING DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE !?!??!!

                            Why do we want to advocate for MORE VIOLENCE?

                            WHY?

                            It's *ALL BAD*.

                            Does "doing it better / faster" make one group morally superior over the other? Or are BOTH GROUPS just plain DOUCHE-BAGS for resorting to violence?

                            President Trump was exactly correct when he condemned ALL THE VIOLENCE and ALL OF THE HATE.
                            FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
                            It's time to call it out for what it is.



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