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  • #16
    Human psychology is complex. For example, if a person sells sex to feed a drug addiction or for survival, is it really a choice? It's not trafficking, but it's still exploitative. If a person is pressured through debt bondage to sell sex, she might not have a gun to her head, but the psychological pressure to get money fast will be there. The same might apply to a gambler who owes money to a loan shark.

    That said, I agree that some people who sell sex are exploitative in their own right. I remember how some sex-worker rights organizations were up in arms when Sweden and other countries had adopted the Swedish model that criminalizes the buying of sex. Some former prostituted persons (victims of sexual exploitation) supported the model; but the sex workers (aka happy hookers) who opposed it revealed their true colours: 'How dare you criminalize our client base!'. As if they enjoyed a fundamental right to their clients' money.

    Just to make the point, I could see the creation of a men's rights organization promoting the criminalization of the purchasing of sex as a men's right, the right of prostituted men to not be exploited and of male buyers to get the help they need. Maybe we should compare the sex industry to the gambling industry and ask the 'happy hookers' whether a national voluntary self-exclusion list should should exist in the sex industry as it does for casinos, and whether we should regulate the sex trade as we do the gambling industry.

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    • #17
      its still their choices that led them there.

      bad choices ruin lives.
      i dont endorse or follow this new age thinking that people are all victims.
      i'm with nietzsche, we're the only being to blame for our own faults and flaws.
      now clean your room. (im also with doc jordan b peterson)
      Originally posted by MatrixTransform
      where were you before you put yourself last?
      Originally posted by TheNarrator
      Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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      • #18
        Legalize it, regulate it like they do in Nevada. Pretty much every human interaction can be boiled down to, or equated to, prostitution. So long as no one is being forced to buy or sell sex then, fuck it, it's fine by me. For some, it just cuts out the middle man. The wining and dining, the bullshit small talk that no one really cares about but you do it anyway, just to get your socks rocked off. Instead of buying a random bar-babe 4 or 5 shots or glasses of whatever, just hand them the cash and get to getting your dick wet. It's the end goal anyway. Plus it saves on time and potential emotional drama/baggage. The rest is simply details.

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        • #19
          This feels/sounds like a Feminist troll. The men's rights are against exploitation of any kind and should be dealt with as such in a court of law. This is another one of those wedge issues which has many nuances and vulnerable to traps.
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          • #20
            money for tennis == ?
            "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

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            "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

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            • #21
              I lean towards Libertarian on this subject. Freedom means you are free to do what you want, as long as it doesn't hurt other people. You reap the benefits of your labor, and you pay the price when you screw up. Just because some folks who pay for sex are mentally ill, doesn't mean they should outlaw it for those that are not. Its the reason Prostitution is called the oldest profession-- because it is a mutually agreed upon transaction between 2 (or more) people. Capitalism in its primal form. There should be no laws against Prostitution. There should be no laws against paying for sex -- criminally or socially. Not everything needs to be handled and regulated by a government. I would only assume it was Bible-thumping Christians who got it outlawed in the first place.

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              • #22
                Just as any other profession, there should be no minimum wage. If a person wants to make more money at it, they have to offer better services. This is where most women think they are better than "cheap hookers"-- they think they are offering something far better so that men should be bending over backwards to pay $1000's in bills, child support, alimony, etc to get their "services" for a few years.

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                • #23
                  I think guys who get married are mentally ill, it should be criminalized for there own good, there should be blocks on dating sites. wether its pay now or pay later its all the same, only difference that makes marriage immoral is the guy doesn't get the cost upfront.

                  the mgtow policy on prostitution is, whore brides with their pimp government thugs, are very exploitive of trusting vulnerable men.

                  youd think societies governments and lobby groups supposedly for equality would have a policy beyond....fuck him, he's a man.


                  and why that didn't roll off the tongue of the rest you dweebs is beyond me!
                  Last edited by menrppl2; 02-08-2018, 05:35 PM.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Grumpy Old Man View Post
                    This feels/sounds like a Feminist troll. The men's rights are against exploitation of any kind and should be dealt with as such in a court of law. This is another one of those wedge issues which has many nuances and vulnerable to traps.
                    ye i felt that too. hence why i answered the way i did. but i think in the later posts he proved genuine. not sure why this is his subject of choice though.
                    Last edited by TheNarrator; 02-10-2018, 08:06 AM.
                    Originally posted by MatrixTransform
                    where were you before you put yourself last?
                    Originally posted by TheNarrator
                    Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Shift View Post
                      I lean towards Libertarian on this subject. Freedom means you are free to do what you want, as long as it doesn't hurt other people. You reap the benefits of your labor, and you pay the price when you screw up. Just because some folks who pay for sex are mentally ill, doesn't mean they should outlaw it for those that are not. Its the reason Prostitution is called the oldest profession-- because it is a mutually agreed upon transaction between 2 (or more) people. Capitalism in its primal form. There should be no laws against Prostitution. There should be no laws against paying for sex -- criminally or socially. Not everything needs to be handled and regulated by a government. I would only assume it was Bible-thumping Christians who got it outlawed in the first place.
                      i agree to some extent, but i think only damaged people seek this out either as client or provider. i think the regulation should be more at home. raising our youth which seems to not be happening

                      by that i mean our adults need to fucking get licenses to have kids.. not a popular thing but thats what i think. too many morons are having babies and failing those babies
                      Originally posted by MatrixTransform
                      where were you before you put yourself last?
                      Originally posted by TheNarrator
                      Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by menrppl2 View Post
                        and why that didn't roll off the tongue of the rest you dweebs is beyond me!
                        its about prostitutes not marriage ;]
                        although the similarities are blatant in today's world
                        Originally posted by MatrixTransform
                        where were you before you put yourself last?
                        Originally posted by TheNarrator
                        Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Marteno View Post
                          radical feminists tend to favour the Nordic model which criminalizes buying sex but not selling it ... to protect vulnerable men who might be trafficked into the sex trade ... to help sex-addicted buyers out of the industry?
                          If you think the Nordic model is in any way conceived, established or practiced to provide some benefit to men, you are sorely mistaken. TNM does not protect trafficked men, and it does not help buyers, whether sex-addicted or not, out of the industry. It merely allows clamping down on "unwanted sex" by levying hefty fines on johns who get caught. Men get fucked under TNM, too; just not the way they had planned.

                          Oh, and I think you should draw clearer lines between prostitution in itself, and on the other hand the sad fates one can find in the trade.
                          Early capitalism thought that coal mining was just the thing for 8 year old kids. That doesn't mean that coal, or mining, is bad.
                          In our more humane age we've exported this kind of work arrangement to the third world, so we don't have to see it.
                          So we walk around in Nike trainers made by kids in Bangla Desh. We might object to that; but still not to Nike trainers, as such.

                          I'm pretty sure that most of the criminal stuff going on in prostitution is due to the criminalization of it, just as in the drug trade.
                          We still need to learn some of the lessons from the era of Prohibition.

                          M

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Grumpy Old Man View Post
                            This feels/sounds like a Feminist troll. The men's rights are against exploitation of any kind and should be dealt with as such in a court of law. This is another one of those wedge issues which has many nuances and vulnerable to traps.
                            My apologies if I came across as a feminist troll.

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