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    Greetings All! I am an average guy in my late 30s. I've noticed something since I was a teenager that has bothered me a little, and I really haven't had the nerve or the avenue to ask about until now. So here goes. I've noticed that many women seem to want all of the same opportunities they think are afforded to men while maintaining all of the privileges traditionally afforded to women. I've asked over and over again, "Why, if women can do everything I can do, do I need to keep paying their way if we are dating?" Also, "Why, if women are equal to me, am I expected to defend their honor? Aren't they capable of doing that themselves?" Also, "Why if women are equal to me must I most often be the one who pursues them?" I've really received a strait answer (I've also never really asked). I'm single and never been married, mostly because that is how I like living, but also because I just don't see the point of playing a somewhat tired and rigged game. So please folks let me know what you thing, good or bad.

  • #2
    Hi,

    I think you are waiting for someone to open doors that have already been busted ...
    I suggest a forum reading safari, and a safari of suggested sources therein; and lo, the truth thou seekest shall be revealed unto thee.
    If things are still unclear after that, many here will gladly answer any further questions.

    M

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    • #3
      If the question, as I understood it is: Why are women claiming the benefits of equalty and the perks of the traditional system, and switching between them at a whim? The simple answer is: Because they can.

      I'll give you an analogy: You have two very different political systems, in one, the state is a major provider of most services. It has state-subsidized healthcare, transport infrastructure, college education has a very low cost, etc; but the taxes are very high because of this. On the other side, you have a much smaller state, in which you don't pay as much taxes, and all those services are given by private companies, at a much higher cost.
      Someone naive enough could say "Gee, why can't we just pay very low taxes, but have all this free goodies?" You can't, because those things don't exist on a vacuum, and you either buy the whole package, or you don't buy it at all.

      If you want a closer analogy, just flip the script, and think what would happen if you said "Sure, I'm all for equalty, therefore both of us will work the same amount of hours. Buuut I also happen to be somewhat of a traditionalist, so in addition, when I get home I want to have dinner ready, the house must be absolutely clean and I want a back massage on top of it". I'm sure you'll think it's bullshit, and it is; but society as a whole has a long tradition of don't calling women on their bullshit and giving them free passes for pretty much anything, so it gets this kind of mentality in return.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Pietro View Post
        If the question, as I understood it is: Why are women claiming the benefits of equalty and the perks of the traditional system, and switching between them at a whim? The simple answer is: Because they can.

        I'll give you an analogy: You have two very different political systems, in one, the state is a major provider of most services. It has state-subsidized healthcare, transport infrastructure, college education has a very low cost, etc; but the taxes are very high because of this. On the other side, you have a much smaller state, in which you don't pay as much taxes, and all those services are given by private companies, at a much higher cost.
        Someone naive enough could say "Gee, why can't we just pay very low taxes, but have all this free goodies?" You can't, because those things don't exist on a vacuum, and you either buy the whole package, or you don't buy it at all.

        If you want a closer analogy, just flip the script, and think what would happen if you said "Sure, I'm all for equalty, therefore both of us will work the same amount of hours. Buuut I also happen to be somewhat of a traditionalist, so in addition, when I get home I want to have dinner ready, the house must be absolutely clean and I want a back massage on top of it". I'm sure you'll think it's bullshit, and it is; but society as a whole has a long tradition of don't calling women on their bullshit and giving them free passes for pretty much anything, so it gets this kind of mentality in return.
        Agreed, I like to use an analogy to explain this phenomena with the concept of two opposing "rule books". At there core there are two opposing rule books. One being "traditionalism" and the other being "egalitarian". The former hold women accountability free, and as necessary gives little "rights". The other gives women rights, (many times exceeding men's rights) with much accountability.

        Our current culture encourages women to operate between both rule books as they see fit, and that always results in them taking the "rule" that benifits them the most at that particular time. This is where the "because I can" dynamic comes in to play. There are no referees to hold a female to chose which rule book from which to play from. This is why men are living their lives in a constant state of confusion. And the deeper they are in a relationship, the more confusing and destructive the flipping rule books becomes.

        Unfortunately, the rule books are so diametrically opposed to each other, the male role in any relationship can be viewed as always wrong for one reason or another. For the rational man, being constantly placed in a no win situation, leads him to do the only rational thing, which is to decide not to play. So men tend to unplug from their relationships and their duties and responsibilities. However, this is also a losing proposition, because he can now be accused of being deamonized for being disengaged, meanwhile, no one ever questions why did the man make the choice to disengage.

        Unfortunately men, you are forced to play a no win game in the casino of life, in one form or another. Even if you choose to completely disengage from female relationships entirely, you will be viewed as defective. Simply because no one wants to hear why you've made the choices you've made. This is entirely by design, because if anyone in authority would ask a man WHY the whole house of cards would come tumbling down.
        Ephesians 5 "Husbands, Love your wives like Christ loved the Church". (Wives, give your husbands something to love).
        "Wives, RESPECT your husbands". (Husbands, give your wives something to respect.)

        For a man does not truly feel loved unless his wife, mother, and children display respect to him.

        "From each MAN according to his abilty, to each WOMAN according to her need"... Allison Tienemann

        "Feminism is a HATE group... Feminists are HATEFUL people"... Mr. e

        "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."... Ronald Reagan

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        • #5
          Originally posted by theplummer View Post
          Agreed, I like to use an analogy to explain this phenomena with the concept of two opposing "rule books". At there core there are two opposing rule books. One being "traditionalism" and the other being "egalitarian". The former hold women accountability free, and as necessary gives little "rights". The other gives women rights, (many times exceeding men's rights) with much accountability.

          Our current culture encourages women to operate between both rule books as they see fit, and that always results in them taking the "rule" that benifits them the most at that particular time. This is where the "because I can" dynamic comes in to play. There are no referees to hold a female to chose which rule book from which to play from. This is why men are living their lives in a constant state of confusion. And the deeper they are in a relationship, the more confusing and destructive the flipping rule books becomes.

          Unfortunately, the rule books are so diametrically opposed to each other, the male role in any relationship can be viewed as always wrong for one reason or another. For the rational man, being constantly placed in a no win situation, leads him to do the only rational thing, which is to decide not to play. So men tend to unplug from their relationships and their duties and responsibilities. However, this is also a losing proposition, because he can now be accused of being deamonized for being disengaged, meanwhile, no one ever questions why did the man make the choice to disengage.

          Unfortunately men, you are forced to play a no win game in the casino of life, in one form or another. Even if you choose to completely disengage from female relationships entirely, you will be viewed as defective. Simply because no one wants to hear why you've made the choices you've made. This is entirely by design, because if anyone in authority would ask a man WHY the whole house of cards would come tumbling down.
          Forgive me for quoting myself, but after I hit send, I realized a further thought on the realization of this phenomena.

          That is, the understanding of this concept completely debunks the feminist narrative of the patriarchy theory. Fact is, feminists are clearly missing the point, and misidentifying the fact that civilization by nature is actually matriarchal. Women's survival depends on civilization. Pre feminist days, men acted on behalf of women, with little "formal" input. Post feminist days, men are still held in the position of actors on behalf of women, except now they have the authority to dictate policy (to protect and provide) for women publicly.

          They have the choice to act themselves, or force a man/men to act, at their discretion. And if a man refuses to capitulate, she can invoke the power of the state to force man/men into servatude.

          Tell me now, how the patriarchy even exists, and how women have been oppressed, since at least the advent of the common era calander.
          Ephesians 5 "Husbands, Love your wives like Christ loved the Church". (Wives, give your husbands something to love).
          "Wives, RESPECT your husbands". (Husbands, give your wives something to respect.)

          For a man does not truly feel loved unless his wife, mother, and children display respect to him.

          "From each MAN according to his abilty, to each WOMAN according to her need"... Allison Tienemann

          "Feminism is a HATE group... Feminists are HATEFUL people"... Mr. e

          "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."... Ronald Reagan

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          • #6
            what you described is simply the effects of feminism and unchecked hypergamy, it's kind of why forums like this are essential so men can get together and say 'ok this has gone far enough how do we get real egalitarianism in this situation?' or for the individual man just 'how do i get out of these chains?' you're in the right place and asking the right questions i would suggest watching the YouTube videos of Karen Staughan, all of them, she breaks it down in a very logical almost spock-esque matter of fact way
            "There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all."
            Mario Savio

            "A single, seemingly powerless person who dares to cry out the word of truth
            and to stand behind it with all his person and all his life, ready to pay a
            high price, has, surprisingly, greater power, though formally disfranchised,
            than do thousands of anonymous voters."
            Vaclav Havel
            'if you want to know who rules you, look at who you're not allowed to criticise' Voltaire

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Chris3000 View Post
              Greetings All! I am an average guy in my late 30s. I've noticed something since I was a teenager that has bothered me a little, and I really haven't had the nerve or the avenue to ask about until now. So here goes. I've noticed that many women seem to want all of the same opportunities they think are afforded to men while maintaining all of the privileges traditionally afforded to women.
              Feminist hypocrisy.

              Give women the power and status and personal agency of the traditional male role....but protect her from the risk, harm, ruin and sacrifice.

              Retrain the previlages traditionalism offer women...while also extend them the benefits of progressivism... dismiss anyone claiming that this cheery-picking amounts to entitlement a sexist pig.

              Originally posted by Chris3000 View Post
              I've asked over and over again, "Why, if women can do everything I can do, do I need to keep paying their way if we are dating?"
              Just because she makes her own money doesn't mean she's not interested in yours.

              Her money is hers. Your money is hers.

              Originally posted by Chris3000 View Post
              Also, "Why, if women are equal to me, am I expected to defend their honor? Aren't they capable of doing that themselves?"
              They are not. That's why they dangle the carrot of sex to recruit men into being their goons...they do this intellectually with male feminist academics they do this physically with tough guys and ultimately the police and government.


              Originally posted by Chris3000 View Post


              Also, "Why if women are equal to me must I most often be the one who pursues them?"
              Feminists claim hunter(male)/prey(female) mating dynamics are learnt and can be unlearnt.

              Reality and history shows us that they aren't and they can't.

              So you still have to get your ass across the bar and say hello and do your best to cough out something half interesting.
              Last edited by Maxx; 01-17-2015, 11:11 PM.
              "Being a cunt doesn't make you wrong." ComradePrescott

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              • #8
                have a watch of this by man woman myth, about male identity, female identity and misandry:
                "There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all."
                Mario Savio

                "A single, seemingly powerless person who dares to cry out the word of truth
                and to stand behind it with all his person and all his life, ready to pay a
                high price, has, surprisingly, greater power, though formally disfranchised,
                than do thousands of anonymous voters."
                Vaclav Havel
                'if you want to know who rules you, look at who you're not allowed to criticise' Voltaire

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Maxx View Post
                  Feminist hypocrisy.


                  Retrain the previlages ...
                  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/privilege

                  M

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                  • #10
                    Thank all of you who have replied, and thank you to anyone who may reply. It seriously blows my mind that other people have noticed this stuff, and actually seen the cow droppings. Really what I've noticed here is that one element is me, as a man, taking my power and identity back. Not that I gave it away, I just never claimed it, I don't need to cower and just accept the fact that feminism has wedged men into a one up one down relationship with men. Women up, men down. Hey I'm just a regular guy trying to get by, heck maybe even hang out with a female I find attractive every once in awhile. But hell with this crazy entitlement stuff its like I'm in a losing position strait out of the chute!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Chris3000 View Post
                      Greetings All! I am an average guy in my late 30s. I've noticed something since I was a teenager that has bothered me a little, and I really haven't had the nerve or the avenue to ask about until now. So here goes. I've noticed that many women seem to want all of the same opportunities they think are afforded to men while maintaining all of the privileges traditionally afforded to women. I've asked over and over again, "Why, if women can do everything I can do, do I need to keep paying their way if we are dating?" Also, "Why, if women are equal to me, am I expected to defend their honor? Aren't they capable of doing that themselves?" Also, "Why if women are equal to me must I most often be the one who pursues them?" I've really received a strait answer (I've also never really asked). I'm single and never been married, mostly because that is how I like living, but also because I just don't see the point of playing a somewhat tired and rigged game. So please folks let me know what you thing, good or bad.
                      Please forgive my dumb question, but chris3000's post reads like a Red Pill revelation. Did I get this right?

                      Thanks.

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                      • #12
                        OP, not every girl is like that. You just need to take time to find the right girl.

                        Edit: Sorry, misunderstood OP question.
                        Last edited by jasmine31; 01-18-2015, 09:10 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by asiangirl View Post
                          OP, not every girl is like that. You just need to take time to find the right girl.
                          Every time when I hear this, somebody please shoot me in the face because I'm NOT A GIRL and it's not how it works!

                          Come on asiangirl, he didn't ask for any relationship advice nor your personal experience.
                          The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by WhiteFox View Post
                            Every time when I hear this, somebody please shoot me in the face because I'm NOT A GIRL and it's not how it works!

                            Come on asiangirl, he didn't ask for any relationship advice nor your personal experience.
                            I sometimes wonder if women actually come here to do anything at all besides play NAWALT?

                            It gets fucking boring.
                            "Being a cunt doesn't make you wrong." ComradePrescott

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Maxx View Post
                              I sometimes wonder if women actually come here to do anything at all besides play NAWALT?
                              This has to be the worst dating site ever. Worst. Dating. Site. EVER!

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