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    Let's say for example a person is mixed race.

    For the sake of discussion this person is 3/4 european, 1/8 native american and 1/8 persian.

    Now this person going thru life decides they are going to honor their persian heritage by calling themselves "Persian."

    Doesn't really matter the reason, it's just their personal taste.

    Now they go to the DMV and DMV has a checkbox for : white black asian etc etc, maybe they have a checkbox for "middle eastern" (I don't know if they do or not.)

    This person crosses that out and writes : "Persian."

    Later they go to college and college wants to know : "Are you a minority?" And they say, "I am Persian" and that looks good for the school's PC credentials.

    Do you think it would be fair or right for the DMV and/or College to look at this person and say, "Who are you trying to bullshit? You're a white person!"

    Genetically might be true, 3/4 European.

    But socially and culturally, if this person "feels" Persian then we should respect their wishes.

    Same way if they want to change their name from "Bob Smith" to "Abdul Hakeem" then we should respect that.

    Why is it any different with transgenderism?

    "b-but as a woman it takes away my oppression under the patriarchy!"

    Well yes, yes it does, because you can decide to be of the male gender if you like.

    You can be on the "winning team," a member of the dreaded "patriarchy" if you like.

    Which completely blows away any claim that you're a member of an oppressed minority, when you can literally CHOOSE which checkbox you want to tick.

    I believe there was also a woman of the NAACP who is "Trans Black."

    I think this is no different than writing in "Persian" at the DMV.

    Maybe you are 1/48 black .

    Who is to say?

    Don't we all have ancestors all over the world?

    Should we all get DNA test to say, "You are %3.5957 Nigerian."

    And so if a person wants to identify as Persian or Muslim or Chinese or Abdul Hakeem or Male or Female or Black.

    That's their choice.

    Who is to say that "You are only %2 native american therefor you can't call yourself native american."

    If that's the heritage you want to honor and represent, who is to say otherwise?

    It's not up to the DMV to tell you if you are white or black.

    So why should it be up to the DMV to tell you that you are male or female.

    That's my 2 cents on this topic.


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    I've got an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in every cell so I'm half female already ^_^.
    Joking aside... gender is in how our mind works while sex is our genitals. Many cultures do support the concept of male women (and female men), because quite simply some of us are born with the behavior traits more common in the opposite sex and we can be an asset to our tribe as such... it's not really about having sex with anyone as far as I'm concerned.

    Now when it comes to race I'm not so sure, although it wouldn't surprise me if there are characteristic racial behavior traits.
    Here in New Zealand I gather they are more concerned with preserving Maori culture than with genetic origins although a degree of systemic racism is present as is racial prejudice based on appearance.

    Why is this important to MRA one might ask... and the answer is simple... there is systemic sexual prejudice that assumes thing like men being more aggressive, more adventurous etcetera... but what we should try is to accept that an individual might not at all fit the gender stereotype.
    Last edited by Angelica; 11-18-2018, 08:21 AM.
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    • #3
      for dmv it might be about identifying ppl by apperance
      A man can gain no more respect than by, laying down his life for a woman. And a woman, no more than by, beating down a man. For a man to ask, what is fair and good and true and just, is to offend.

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      • #4
        "Who is to say that "You are only %2 native american therefor you can't call yourself native american."

        The native americans. The US government says you have to be at least 1/8th in order to claim it but, that also, you have to claim a tribe. Some tribes allow 1/8th. Most, however, only allow 1/4 and at least 1/2 of that be from their tribe. A rare few require 1/2 and 100% of that half to specifically and provably be of their tribe.

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        • #5
          I think the point is that we're moving toward governing by contradiction.

          You can't set up programs that benefit certain racial groups and at the same time allow anyone to simply decide they're in the racial group. If you do, you allow people who weren't intended access to that program to exploit it for their own ends.

          You can't set up programs that benefit women and at the same time allow anyone to simply decide they're a woman. If you do, you allow men (who aren't intended to benefit from the program) to exploit that program for their own ends.

          The same with immigration. You can't have open borders and at the same time well-fare state. If you do, you allow people who come in without any contribution to the social safety net to exploit it for their own ends.

          "...but when she goes off you, she will not just walk away, she will walk away with your fucking skin in a jar." ~~ DoctorRandomercam
          "The laws of man, they don't apply when blood gets in a woman's eye" - The Black Keys

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          • #6
            Originally posted by menrppl2 View Post
            for dmv it might be about identifying ppl by apperance
            I posted a thread some time back about, I think Colorado allowing additional genders on driver's licenses. Which I thought was weird because the driver's license specifies sex not gender.

            It bugs me because they tell you that sex and gender are different, but then immediately conflate the two to get what they want.
            "...but when she goes off you, she will not just walk away, she will walk away with your fucking skin in a jar." ~~ DoctorRandomercam
            "The laws of man, they don't apply when blood gets in a woman's eye" - The Black Keys

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JamesNunya View Post
              "Who is to say that "You are only %2 native american therefor you can't call yourself native american."

              The native americans. The US government says you have to be at least 1/8th in order to claim it but, that also, you have to claim a tribe. Some tribes allow 1/8th. Most, however, only allow 1/4 and at least 1/2 of that be from their tribe. A rare few require 1/2 and 100% of that half to specifically and provably be of their tribe.
              Only if you're applying to join their tribe, and in that case a DNA test won't help with that, and tribal politics is a shitshow with even elders getting thrown out of the tribe to decrease the recipients of the casino money.

              It's a corrupt practice to say that a piece of land is only for xyz tribe, if that's the case then whites can claim "this whole country is for our tribe."

              War is how land gets transferred, and tribes are social constructs, ppl can claim anything and all of the claims are equally worthless.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mifune View Post
                I think the point is that we're moving toward governing by contradiction.

                You can't set up programs that benefit certain racial groups and at the same time allow anyone to simply decide they're in the racial group. If you do, you allow people who weren't intended access to that program to exploit it for their own ends.

                You can't set up programs that benefit women and at the same time allow anyone to simply decide they're a woman. If you do, you allow men (who aren't intended to benefit from the program) to exploit that program for their own ends.

                The same with immigration. You can't have open borders and at the same time well-fare state. If you do, you allow people who come in without any contribution to the social safety net to exploit it for their own ends.
                That's the Ouroborous of the left eating its own tail.

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