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    Let's say for example a person is mixed race.

    For the sake of discussion this person is 3/4 european, 1/8 native american and 1/8 persian.

    Now this person going thru life decides they are going to honor their persian heritage by calling themselves "Persian."

    Doesn't really matter the reason, it's just their personal taste.

    Now they go to the DMV and DMV has a checkbox for : white black asian etc etc, maybe they have a checkbox for "middle eastern" (I don't know if they do or not.)

    This person crosses that out and writes : "Persian."

    Later they go to college and college wants to know : "Are you a minority?" And they say, "I am Persian" and that looks good for the school's PC credentials.

    Do you think it would be fair or right for the DMV and/or College to look at this person and say, "Who are you trying to bullshit? You're a white person!"

    Genetically might be true, 3/4 European.

    But socially and culturally, if this person "feels" Persian then we should respect their wishes.

    Same way if they want to change their name from "Bob Smith" to "Abdul Hakeem" then we should respect that.

    Why is it any different with transgenderism?

    "b-but as a woman it takes away my oppression under the patriarchy!"

    Well yes, yes it does, because you can decide to be of the male gender if you like.

    You can be on the "winning team," a member of the dreaded "patriarchy" if you like.

    Which completely blows away any claim that you're a member of an oppressed minority, when you can literally CHOOSE which checkbox you want to tick.

    I believe there was also a woman of the NAACP who is "Trans Black."

    I think this is no different than writing in "Persian" at the DMV.

    Maybe you are 1/48 black .

    Who is to say?

    Don't we all have ancestors all over the world?

    Should we all get DNA test to say, "You are %3.5957 Nigerian."

    And so if a person wants to identify as Persian or Muslim or Chinese or Abdul Hakeem or Male or Female or Black.

    That's their choice.

    Who is to say that "You are only %2 native american therefor you can't call yourself native american."

    If that's the heritage you want to honor and represent, who is to say otherwise?

    It's not up to the DMV to tell you if you are white or black.

    So why should it be up to the DMV to tell you that you are male or female.

    That's my 2 cents on this topic.


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    I've got an X chromosome and a Y chromosome in every cell so I'm half female already ^_^.
    Joking aside... gender is in how our mind works while sex is our genitals. Many cultures do support the concept of male women (and female men), because quite simply some of us are born with the behavior traits more common in the opposite sex and we can be an asset to our tribe as such... it's not really about having sex with anyone as far as I'm concerned.

    Now when it comes to race I'm not so sure, although it wouldn't surprise me if there are characteristic racial behavior traits.
    Here in New Zealand I gather they are more concerned with preserving Maori culture than with genetic origins although a degree of systemic racism is present as is racial prejudice based on appearance.

    Why is this important to MRA one might ask... and the answer is simple... there is systemic sexual prejudice that assumes thing like men being more aggressive, more adventurous etcetera... but what we should try is to accept that an individual might not at all fit the gender stereotype.
    Last edited by Angelica; 11-18-2018, 07:21 AM.
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    • #3
      for dmv it might be about identifying ppl by apperance
      A man can gain no more respect than by, laying down his life for a woman. And a woman, no more than by, beating down a man. For a man to ask, what is fair and good and true and just, is to offend.

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      • #4
        "Who is to say that "You are only %2 native american therefor you can't call yourself native american."

        The native americans. The US government says you have to be at least 1/8th in order to claim it but, that also, you have to claim a tribe. Some tribes allow 1/8th. Most, however, only allow 1/4 and at least 1/2 of that be from their tribe. A rare few require 1/2 and 100% of that half to specifically and provably be of their tribe.

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        • #5
          I think the point is that we're moving toward governing by contradiction.

          You can't set up programs that benefit certain racial groups and at the same time allow anyone to simply decide they're in the racial group. If you do, you allow people who weren't intended access to that program to exploit it for their own ends.

          You can't set up programs that benefit women and at the same time allow anyone to simply decide they're a woman. If you do, you allow men (who aren't intended to benefit from the program) to exploit that program for their own ends.

          The same with immigration. You can't have open borders and at the same time well-fare state. If you do, you allow people who come in without any contribution to the social safety net to exploit it for their own ends.

          "...but when she goes off you, she will not just walk away, she will walk away with your fucking skin in a jar." ~~ DoctorRandomercam
          "The laws of man, they don't apply when blood gets in a woman's eye" - The Black Keys

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          • #6
            Originally posted by menrppl2 View Post
            for dmv it might be about identifying ppl by apperance
            I posted a thread some time back about, I think Colorado allowing additional genders on driver's licenses. Which I thought was weird because the driver's license specifies sex not gender.

            It bugs me because they tell you that sex and gender are different, but then immediately conflate the two to get what they want.
            "...but when she goes off you, she will not just walk away, she will walk away with your fucking skin in a jar." ~~ DoctorRandomercam
            "The laws of man, they don't apply when blood gets in a woman's eye" - The Black Keys

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JamesNunya View Post
              "Who is to say that "You are only %2 native american therefor you can't call yourself native american."

              The native americans. The US government says you have to be at least 1/8th in order to claim it but, that also, you have to claim a tribe. Some tribes allow 1/8th. Most, however, only allow 1/4 and at least 1/2 of that be from their tribe. A rare few require 1/2 and 100% of that half to specifically and provably be of their tribe.
              Only if you're applying to join their tribe, and in that case a DNA test won't help with that, and tribal politics is a shitshow with even elders getting thrown out of the tribe to decrease the recipients of the casino money.

              It's a corrupt practice to say that a piece of land is only for xyz tribe, if that's the case then whites can claim "this whole country is for our tribe."

              War is how land gets transferred, and tribes are social constructs, ppl can claim anything and all of the claims are equally worthless.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mifune View Post
                I think the point is that we're moving toward governing by contradiction.

                You can't set up programs that benefit certain racial groups and at the same time allow anyone to simply decide they're in the racial group. If you do, you allow people who weren't intended access to that program to exploit it for their own ends.

                You can't set up programs that benefit women and at the same time allow anyone to simply decide they're a woman. If you do, you allow men (who aren't intended to benefit from the program) to exploit that program for their own ends.

                The same with immigration. You can't have open borders and at the same time well-fare state. If you do, you allow people who come in without any contribution to the social safety net to exploit it for their own ends.
                That's the Ouroborous of the left eating its own tail.

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                • #9
                  If we're honest, much of the social justice warrior situations that we see out there, have to do with bending the rules when convenient. For example, there is a 52 year old man (whose videos have gone viral) who is delusional enough to believe he is a 6 year old girl, and wants the general public to treat him as such. Of course, only when it's convenient. He still wants to have sex like an adult male, but, then wants to be treated like a six year old girl the rest of the time. lol I shudder to think that part of his delusion is being used in his sex play, which is gross on an entirely different level.

                  Enabling people in their depravity doesn't help them. Not sure why so many people think that enabling depravity equals compassion.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Deidre View Post
                    He still wants to have sex like an adult male, but, then wants to be treated like a six year old girl the rest of the time.
                    In the list of things that dry a woman up faster than a Dyson Airblade, I gotta imagine, talking to a grown-ass man like a 6 year old girl has to be near the top of that list.,
                    "...but when she goes off you, she will not just walk away, she will walk away with your fucking skin in a jar." ~~ DoctorRandomercam
                    "The laws of man, they don't apply when blood gets in a woman's eye" - The Black Keys

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mifune View Post

                      In the list of things that dry a woman up faster than a Dyson Airblade, I gotta imagine, talking to a grown-ass man like a 6 year old girl has to be near the top of that list.,
                      I've heard of that person but not watched any of xer videos. There are lots of wierdo's on the planet. Some are into BDSM, others dress up like dogs or ponies. Maybe they don't care for wet pussy, but climax on their fetish instead? To each their own, as long as they aren't harming anyone, what's the problem?
                      ~~~ PEr aRDUa ad asTrA ~~~
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Angelica View Post

                        I've heard of that person but not watched any of xer videos. There are lots of wierdo's on the planet. Some are into BDSM, others dress up like dogs or ponies. Maybe they don't care for wet pussy, but climax on their fetish instead? To each their own, as long as they aren't harming anyone, what's the problem?
                        I'm not interested in policing what consenting adults choose to do with each other.

                        I was really just remarking on the juxtaposition between "wants to have sex like an adult male" and "wants to be treated like a six-year old girl".

                        I assume "sex like an adult male" means some array of different types of intercourse with averagely healthy adult females. Adult females are often turned off completely by male behavior that doesn't meet the archetype of masculinity. They perceive it as weakness and start looking for someone stronger. Ignoring how much of that is projection, it still means that this dude is going to have a very difficult time finding a woman that wants to treat him like a 6 year old girl and still have sex with him.

                        Never mind the pedophilic implications of having sex with someone that you were only moments ago treating like a 6 year old.

                        Or maybe I just wanted to assert my long-earned superiority in the field of things that turn women off.
                        "...but when she goes off you, she will not just walk away, she will walk away with your fucking skin in a jar." ~~ DoctorRandomercam
                        "The laws of man, they don't apply when blood gets in a woman's eye" - The Black Keys

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mifune View Post

                          In the list of things that dry a woman up faster than a Dyson Airblade, I gotta imagine, talking to a grown-ass man like a 6 year old girl has to be near the top of that list.,
                          Pretty much, but my guess is he's not interested in women. Supposedly a couple who looks to be in their 60's...''adopted'' him. Make of that what you will. lol

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                          • #14

                            Well, since I started this thread, I feel a duty to put my 2 cents in.

                            First off why are you using the most bizarre, extreme case of one person's lifestyle fetish as the role model of the topic? That's a bit like me saying, "I think it's ok for white dudes to get with latinas" and you saying, "Well I heard there was this one dude that married a subway station."

                            a. It's not really representative of the topic
                            b. It's not hurting anything for someone to marry a subway station

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                            The idea I am espousing here is that "identity" to a large extent has always been personal preference.

                            Talk to almost anyone in real life and ask them about their background.

                            They'll probably say something like, "Well I'm Scots-Irish on my father's side but my mother's side is Syrian-Jewish and Italian."

                            You may then find out that this person has a kilt and a bagpipe when he participates in the local St Patty's day parade.

                            He may also simultaneously go to Synangogue and consider himself an afficianado on all things Italian.

                            The way he wants to express himself is completely up to him, he may suppress certain parts of his background, he may emphasize others, and everyone seems to be totally cool with that.

                            ~~~~

                            But the minute that same person maybe tries to express having a feminine side, everybody flips their shit.

                            Which in mind my goes to show how rigidly enforced gender norms and identity are.

                            It would be easier and less controversial for Melania Trump to become Japanese than for her to be seen in public wearing men's clothing.

                            I have a pet theory.

                            I think trannyism is simply a primal and extreme form of MRA.

                            An extreme emotional reaction against the expected gender norms and expectations of a particular gender.

                            Like for example you always hear feminists say they don't want what they perceive to be the weak and subservient expectations of the female gender, they're rebelling against the /concept/ of female gender.

                            Maybe trannyism is the same thing but usually with the male gender.

                            They're rebelling against the expectations and norms of being "male."

                            And I think to a certain extent, both men and women want to put them back into that box.

                            Men want them to "suffer like I suffered" they see them almost like a draft-dodger, or someone who's trying to skip out on paying child support.

                            Women see them as that PLUS trying to shoehorn in on female privileges that they see themselves as having earned by complying with female gender norms.

                            It's almost like, "I paid for getting treated like a lady by giving birth and making everyone's coffee, that scab over there wants to get treated like a lady and all he had to do was wear a fucking dress."

                            ~~~~

                            I think ultimately as westerners (as people who are able to enjoy a western lifestyle) we all (men, women, MRA's, trannies, feminists, everybody) to a certain extent have too much time on our hands.

                            Because alot of this stuff is splitting hairs.

                            Male gender expectations.

                            Female gender expectations.

                            ~~~~

                            The longer I've lived on this earth, the less significance I find in the concept of gender, its archtypes, expressions or expectations.

                            As a male I no longer see it as almost a badge of honor to work like a dog or to treat my body like shit, or put myself into dangerous situations on purpose.

                            The longer I live, the more I take care of myself, I'm more gentle on my body, my health.

                            I no longer try to animal heavy objects, because I know I'll pay for it later with a heat compress to my lower back.

                            And maybe I've already taken one too many punches to the head, escaped with my life one too many times.

                            I'm more confident with myself about social nuances, how to deal with a lost child, pushy salesmen or the pecking order at work.

                            Maybe life should be less about being a "real man" or a "real woman."

                            Maybe we should start becoming real humans instead.

                            ~~~~

                            In my experience, extreme sexual dimorphism is a young person's game.

                            It's the young 18 year old girls that act like chickadees.

                            And it's the young 18 year old boys that act like bulls in heat.

                            Once you get another decade under your belt, you outgrow that shit real fast.

                            ~~~~

                            I think it was last year or so, that I got my first pedicure.

                            I had an ingrown toenail and was really nervous about being able to cut it myself, I have back problems and can't lean over for long periods to cut my nails real good.

                            To my surprise I was not the only man in the place, there were 2 other guys getting pedis.

                            And I discovered the secret women have been keeping all this time.

                            They cut your toenails expertly, they trim the cuticles, they buff them, they even give you a nice footrub, and all it costs is 20 bucks!

                            I said to myself, "So THIS is how women pamper themselves ALL THE TIME. And it took me 45 years to experience this, I'VE BEEN ROBBED."

                            LOL

                            Afterwards, the lady asked me what color I wanted, I said, "I don't need no steenkin color" (old habits die hard.)

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                            • #15
                              I think your almost ready for some eastern pampering
                              think 4 hour massage for $20
                              get a soapy
                              even a shortimer will wash ya, and put your shoes back on after for $50

                              a wise man once said men are ppl too
                              A man can gain no more respect than by, laying down his life for a woman. And a woman, no more than by, beating down a man. For a man to ask, what is fair and good and true and just, is to offend.

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