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  • #31
    Originally posted by dubs View Post
    Well Democracy is a shitshow in and of itself.
    No, not really. Or, to quote Winston C., "Democracy is the worst of all forms of government, excapt all the others."
    It has worked quite well for us for about 1500 years now, on and off, and with some period costuming, of course.
    It's still working, actually. But then there's a lot of quiet white guys here, to be sure. Funny thing is, most immigrants we have had
    (and we've had a lot in those same 1500 years) have turned into quiet, more or less - but more and more as time went by -
    white guys. This country does that to people. This place is and ever was an eddy in the river of history, and our culture today
    is the sum of all the stuff that managed to keep afloat.

    In other words the "two groups" aren't even members of the same country but competing ethno-tribal coalitions.
    Not so much here. Still one of the world's most homogenous countries.

    US Israel white people tribal solidarity Jews defend people Non-whites shithole countries viscious (viscious...? vicious? viscous? couscous? cocos?) life and death white countries onslaught Jews act white pretend white team planet white people extinct after turn on taxes descend barbarism everybody's left preventable a matter of time
    </tin foil>

    White people were too kind and too dumb to make war while they had the upper hand
    If you're ever going to take up a hobby, I'd reccommend reading; and perhaps that you begin with a history book.
    Britain - Britain alone - has invaded every country on the planet except ... was it 22? - out of, say 150 - 180 (depends on what you accept as a country).
    And then there's the other European countries, too. Some cynics say Hitler's gravest error was the immense PR failure
    of treating people in Europe like people from Europe treated people elsewhere. They're probably wrong, but ... good hyperbole.

    Britain "won" WWII, but in order to do so they had to sell their empire to the USA. Afterwards, US capital was instrumental in pushing for the independence of colonies,
    and also that the former colonial masters should pay reparations ("development subsidies") AND also that bilateral arranngements between, say, Britain
    and some former colony of hers was bad practice, as it left the former colonies still subservient and unfree. And worse than that, all that lovely development money
    would flow back to British industry, when Egypt and Rhodesia could just as well buy their guns, cars and fridges from American producers, In short,
    there was money to be made, exchanging crap expensive goods for cheap precious raw materials, profiting both ways, AKA "a win-win situation", at least for Western industry.
    And then came globalism, where you leave the slaves to starve back in Ghana and Bangla Desh, we export the jobs to where the slaves already are, and let them
    live their slave lives and die their slave deaths in situ, without any cost to the brand owners. Perfect, right? So no talk of Spencerian "race war" and being too
    kind and dumb to fight and win it. Here, comme toujours, fool, cherchez le money.

    In this world there are wolves and there are sheep.
    Yeah, it's all black and white, right?

    Except for grey wolves and black sheep, of course.

    And zebras ... oy vey ...!

    M

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    • #32

      Well it's good that your country is homogenous, and it's also good that you're starting to see that that's a good thing.

      Yeah, Britain aka "the globalist WASP" is a cannibalistic species.

      Easiest example is WW2 but on a psych level you also get alot of self-hating whites/wiggers from this branch of Whitistan.

      That being said, the US is not in a good situation.

      It's turning into a third-world country, and I don't mean that in a racial or economic way.

      Remember when politics was boring and politicians spoke in sober serious tones?

      Our politics resembles Reality TV.

      I don't really feel like a citizen of a country, when I watch the news I feel like I should first get some popcorn and a large coke.

      cherchez le moneycherchez le moneycherchez le money

      Doesn't really address the fact that I feel socially isolated, I don't fit in with the alt-right, the alt-left, the alt-up or the alt-down. They're all just different flavor retards trying to gain leverage.

      I'm not into power struggles, I'm into community and there is none here.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Manalysis View Post
        Aye, there's the rub.
        You want to ban activism for people who are activists on behalf of ideals and values you do not share, or even disagree with?
        To me, that's one of the things I don't like about feminists and the regressive part of the left (which, regrettably, now seems to be the majority, at least in the US).

        If people want to be activists for girls in STEM, let them, I say; as long as everyone gets to be activists for their own causes, and the legislators keep off activism.

        M
        IKR, I suppose I don't think it should be banned so much as not supported. Same with the VAWA act... it's fine to oppose violence against women, but I won't support it unless they equally oppose violence against non-women...
        What I do think should be banned is when they promote views that suggest male people are marginalizing, abusing "male privilege", or intimidating girls in STEM, because the way I remember my education was a relentless exercise in denigrating male students who eventually became loners known as "nerds" but still bloody good at STEM.

        ~~~ PEr aRDUa ad asTrA ~~~
        (through adversity to the stars)

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Angelica View Post
          IKR, I suppose I don't think it should be banned so much as not supported. Same with the VAWA act... it's fine to oppose violence against women, but I won't support it unless they equally oppose violence against non-women...
          What I do think should be banned is when they promote views that suggest male people are marginalizing, abusing "male privilege", or intimidating girls in STEM
          Agreed, absolutely.

          because the way I remember my education was a relentless exercise in denigrating male students who eventually became loners known as "nerds" but still bloody good at STEM.
          Hehe ... that's how I remember it, too.

          M

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          • #35
            Originally posted by dubs View Post
            Well it's good that your country is homogenous, and it's also good that you're starting to see that that's a good thing.

            Yeah, Britain aka "the globalist WASP" is a cannibalistic species.

            Easiest example is WW2 but on a psych level you also get alot of self-hating whites/wiggers from this branch of Whitistan.

            That being said, the US is not in a good situation.

            It's turning into a third-world country, and I don't mean that in a racial or economic way.

            Remember when politics was boring and politicians spoke in sober serious tones?

            Our politics resembles Reality TV.

            I don't really feel like a citizen of a country, when I watch the news I feel like I should first get some popcorn and a large coke.

            cherchez le moneycherchez le moneycherchez le money

            Doesn't really address the fact that I feel socially isolated, I don't fit in with the alt-right, the alt-left, the alt-up or the alt-down. They're all just different flavor retards trying to gain leverage.

            I'm not into power struggles, I'm into community and there is none here.
            You are totally demented... it is actually amusing to see...

            I have to wonder how this debate got to this point...

            I mean... Manalysis raise a question about your way of presenting your ideas... and I have to ask, what right he have for doing that?... but then again... the right that you rant over an over again about the western ways... perhaps you should debate as a western?... you know?... evidence and reason.

            And of course you don't do this... why should you? are you even capable of talking out of evidence and reason?

            Instead of that, you come with some crazy claims and your typical antisemitic rant... LOL

            Love it... I disagree with Manalysis, you should not change... furthermore... it is even quite possible that you are not capable of conducting a debate in proper western form.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by simpleman View Post

              You are totally demented... it is actually amusing to see...

              I have to wonder how this debate got to this point...

              I mean... Manalysis raise a question about your way of presenting your ideas... and I have to ask, what right he have for doing that?... but then again... the right that you rant over an over again about the western ways... perhaps you should debate as a western?... you know?... evidence and reason.

              And of course you don't do this... why should you? are you even capable of talking out of evidence and reason?

              Instead of that, you come with some crazy claims and your typical antisemitic rant... LOL

              Love it... I disagree with Manalysis, you should not change... furthermore... it is even quite possible that you are not capable of conducting a debate in proper western form.
              What are we debating?

              The term "lies, damned lies and statistics" comes to mind.

              First step for you is to go and open borders in Israel, let in all of Africa, conduct your own statistical analysis of how hard they rape your mother, and THEN you can come back to me with some kind of moral authority on why the US/Europe/Etc should take in millions more people.

              Western society is already collapsing, it's not going to survive another 20-50 years, pretty soon US gonna be Venezuela-Lite, which has already started with the likes of Ilhan Omar, "Muslim Patrols" in NYC, knockout game, that Ocasio woman, %70 taxes, etc etc.

              Of course you understand all of this because you support it, this is your tribal/party platform, GloboHomoMultiplex.

              No ones owes you a statistical/defensive argument for why they don't want homeless people in their apartment.

              Likewise no one owes you a statistical/defensive argument for why they don't want foreigners.

              I'm still waiting for Israel to demonstrate that globalism works.

              That's your prototype, that's your product demonstration.

              Of course it doesn't work.

              Israel has "walls." It also shoots thousands of "illegal immigrants."

              That's the only way it can survive.

              So you are already showing me that globalism doesn't work, the only thing that works is Israeli "blood and soil" strategy, which is exactly the same as any other kind of national-socialism.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by dubs View Post
                What are we debating?
                Nothing, mate.... that is precisely one of the points Manalysis gave you... with you there is not debate at all... just a crazy rant of historical inaccuracies, logical transgressions and spiritual delusions.

                The term "lies, damned lies and statistics" comes to mind.
                To what mind??? at this point it is up for debate that you have a healthy functional one...

                First step for you is to go and open borders in Israel, let in all of Africa, conduct your own statistical analysis of how hard they rape your mother, and THEN you can come back to me with some kind of moral authority on why the US/Europe/Etc should take in millions more people.
                Antisemetic rant number 3.

                Palestinians have more problems sharing the land with the jews than the jews sharing the land with "Africa"... check it out...

                Western society is already collapsing, it's not going to survive another 20-50 years, pretty soon US gonna be Venezuela-Lite, which has already started with the likes of Ilhan Omar, "Muslim Patrols" in NYC, knockout game, that Ocasio woman, %70 taxes, etc etc.
                I called it... Trump = Chavez

                You see... someone like you have not problem spotting all the problems that come to happens when Chavez promise all that free stuff to the people.... yet you fail to spot that Trump promised a lot of similar free stuff, to the people as well... and so... similar setup will generate similar outcome... Chavez did not figure out how to make National Socialism to work, and Trump definitely will not figure out how to make it work neither.

                Of course you understand all of this because you support it, this is your tribal/party platform, GloboHomoMultiplex.
                My tribe what???

                No ones owes you a statistical/defensive argument for...
                OK, I am kinda overstepping here a bit, as I am goign to speculate into Manalysis intentions...

                For what I can tell, the guy did not contradicted your claims, he just wanted to know where you are coming from, so he can better understand your point of view... and perhaps, maybe, even... agree with you... if he get to see that your claims are reasonable when compared with reality...

                I think you lost him at the moment you called him a communist... or maybe at the part where you talked about history making wild claims such as Europe is a land hippies that have never attacked anyone ever...

                You can decide if you want to offer anything that support your claims, specially when someone is asking you about it... or you can decide that your claims are self sufficient and they don't need any form of evidence or reasoning behind them... they are true, because you are telling us... and what you tell us is the true because you are the chosen one.

                So no... you don't own anybody any evidence for anything... but if your plan was to post your ideas, and hope you can at least have others to consider and understand what you are saying... then you kinda own it to yourself and your ideas to at least answer reasonable questions that came from someone interested on exploring, and understanding your ideas...

                But what I know about what is your goal or your purpose here? Nothing... I have not idea what you do, or why you do, and long time ago I gave up on trying to understand... there is not method in your madness.

                I'm still waiting for Israel to demonstrate that globalism works.
                Says the guy that use a computer designed in USA and Europe, with materials outsourced in Africa and built in a factory in China...

                What car you drive... heck... even... what food you eat?... I am going to make the point that every single comfort you enjoy in your life is a direct result of globalism, and the more globalized it gets, the better and cheaper this comforts gets for you.

                But go on... you prove me wrong... take a map of where you are, pick up a compass and circle 50 miles round, then make sure that you don't get any product that have not being produced, mined, farmed, crafted, manufactured... withing that circle... after you see how much that sucks then you can come back and tell me how much you love the stuff globalism have bough over your local store... LOL.

                If you hate globalism so much... what the hell are you doing sharing your ideas in a global forum, where we have people from all around the globe... or so you think we are here for you to trash every-bodies else countries and cultures and just tell us how superior you are?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                  Palestinians have more problems sharing the land with the jews than the jews sharing the land with "Africa"... check it out...
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTrB1SPX18

                  antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic

                  Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                  I called it... Trump = Chavez

                  You see... someone like you have not problem spotting all the problems that come to happens when Chavez promise all that free stuff to the people.... yet you fail to spot that Trump promised a lot of similar free stuff
                  ??

                  Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                  So no... you don't own anybody any evidence for anything... but if your plan was to post your ideas, and hope you can at least have others to consider and understand what you are saying... then you kinda own it to yourself and your ideas to at least answer reasonable questions that came from someone interested on exploring, and understanding your ideas...
                  You don't have power to change anything.

                  Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                  Says the guy that use a computer designed in USA and Europe, with materials outsourced in Africa and built in a factory in China...

                  What car you drive... heck... even... what food you eat?... I am going to make the point that every single comfort you enjoy in your life is a direct result of globalism, and the more globalized it gets, the better and cheaper this comforts gets for you.

                  But go on... you prove me wrong... take a map of where you are, pick up a compass and circle 50 miles round, then make sure that you don't get any product that have not being produced, mined, farmed, crafted, manufactured... withing that circle... after you see how much that sucks then you can come back and tell me how much you love the stuff globalism have bough over your local store... LOL.

                  If you hate globalism so much... what the hell are you doing sharing your ideas in a global forum, where we have people from all around the globe... or so you think we are here for you to trash every-bodies else countries and cultures and just tell us how superior you are?
                  Ok this is the main reason I even bother to reply, just to educate you.

                  What you describe is the opposite of globalism.

                  They build a car in China, there is a foreign exchange rate for cheaper labor, no environmental regulations, no labor laws, no human rights laws, they can have prison labor to fix your engine.

                  All of this is possible because there is a border between US and China making that possible.

                  If that border disappear then the price of a car jumps from 30k to 100k.

                  Today I bought some Romaine lettuce, it's from Mexico, that's why they can afford to sell me the lettuce for $1.99, otherwise if there is no border then they have to pay their worker $15/hr + benefits and the same lettuce is now $6 or $7.

                  Ditto raw materials in Africa.

                  There is a small african boy picking the crap for 50 cents an hour, and a chinaman thinking of committing suicide, that is why my Nvidia graphics card was $167 at Newegg.

                  The only reason this can happen is because there is borders between X Y and Z.

                  If the world ever really become no borders, life as you understand it will cease to exist.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by dubs View Post

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOTrB1SPX18

                    antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic antisemitic
                    Ah... Al Jazeera... you definitely showed me there...


                    Ok this is the main reason I even bother to reply, just to educate you.
                    I have the feeling this is going to be good... LOL

                    What you describe is the opposite of globalism.
                    Why did I assume that you know what globalism means???

                    They build a car in China, there is a foreign exchange rate for cheaper labor, no environmental regulations, no labor laws, no human rights laws, they can have prison labor to fix your engine.
                    and...

                    There is actually environmental regulations in China, they are just different to the ones in US.... but then again, someone can claim that US does not care for the environment, as we never signed into Kyoto, and recently Trump withdraw from Paris... so... ?

                    There is labor laws in China... but here is the rob... more labor laws is actually bad not good.. so saying that there is less labor laws in China is basically saying that they are better than US on this, as Patronizing and overprotective labor laws in US are handicapping the national industry to freely hire and compete in a global economy (even if you say it is the opposite to global... we all call it global, so suck it up). So i concede there is less labor laws in China than US, but I am going to claim, this is actually better and desirable.

                    There is Human Rights in China.

                    Prison workers... I am no sure what you talking about here... is this some form of program for inmates to work? those monster in China!... sure in US we will never do such crimes... some people...

                    All of this is possible because there is a border between US and China making that possible.
                    The what???

                    What the fuck are you talking about???

                    If that border disappear then the price of a car jumps from 30k to 100k.
                    If we open trading restrictions with China, that car will go down to at least $8000

                    Today I bought some Romaine lettuce, it's from Mexico, that's why they can afford to sell me the lettuce for $1.99, otherwise if there is no border then they have to pay their worker $15/hr + benefits and the same lettuce is now $6 or $7.
                    You have some twisted understanding of economy... and the fat balls to pretend to educate me in a topic that you are totally ignorant. But at least you admit that we don't need a wall to have effective border with Mexico... so I am goign to take this point of yours... 100% agree.

                    If the world ever really become no borders, life as you understand it will cease to exist.
                    At least I can say that I understood it.
                    Last edited by simpleman; 02-12-2019, 05:03 AM.

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                    • #40

                      Forget what I said about you being smart.

                      Clearly I am talking to a donkey, you also fulfill every negative stereotype, flipping between tribalist/globalist, presumably to support whatever Israeli PR you think I'll swallow.

                      It all makes sense now, you're a true believer.

                      It's probably futile to educate you but...globalism works because of borders, not in spite of them, capitalism exploits the inequalities between economies, between strong and weak currencies, strong and weak regulations, to create a competative advantage.

                      Also lol @ you being one of these "green" stooges who thinks slapping more taxes on things reduces global warming.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by dubs View Post
                        Forget what I said about you being smart.
                        I though it was a well meant gesture from you... still I was wondering... how you got such idea about me?

                        Clearly I am talking to a donkey, you also fulfill every negative stereotype, flipping between tribalist/globalist, presumably to support whatever Israeli PR you think I'll swallow.
                        I am not flipping between anything... you are just failing to understand...

                        I am going to explain one more time, and honestly the last time I explain this to you (so if you get it good if not well... ), in the most simple terms it is possible for me to do so:

                        I am an individualist.

                        I think all your BS about tribalism is just that BS.

                        The thing to consider is this: As an individualist I am always going to seek to fulfill my own needs and wants first. And this in the easiest possible way. I am very practical on this...

                        So if I can archive my personal goals by participating on a group that will make it easier for me to archive my goals, then I participate.

                        I am individualist, no antisocial... I am willing to be part and work in teams or groups as long as I gain what I am seeking to gain.

                        Look at it this way... primitive men struggle to hunt big game, so they create hunting packs and distribute the hunt between them, so each one have to work less, though the game had to be split between the members of the hunting party... An individualist will look at it, and decide how much work/meat can he produce hunting alone or joining a hunting group... if the math indicates that he will be better of working in group, then he should join... for individualist reasons become a part of a society.

                        Today I am in the exact same situation, we don't hunt with rocks and sticks but with laptops and power point presentations... Everything else, is the exact same.

                        I think your talk about tribes is BS... because in part you think that the sacrifice of the individual for the good of the group is something honorable or a positive value, when I think it is just plain stupid... and also I think your "tribe" talk is BS because from my practical point of view the size of the group can increase or decrease as I see it fit... so to speak, my "tribe" is the whole world... No getting into details here with you... but sufficient to tell you that as an individual it is the best to my personal interest to advance the world into globalism... or being a member of a hunting team that have 7.5 billion members have it's benefits.

                        I do not expect you to understand the difference between a social individual and a socialist (but this is why you think I am flip jumping around)... as you can't even understand that your "tribes" argument is to claim that a tribe of 300 million people is good and great, but a tribe of 7.5 billions is bad and evil... you make no sense... you have not presented any argument that can sustain your claim, in my opinion you are short minded, when you talk about tribal identity... and that is as much of identity as you can ever comprehend... for you the concept of individual identity is totally alien...

                        For you all the traces of identity are linked to some shape or form of "tribe", inside your system of human tribal separations: so you have them separate by color of skin, by nationalities, by religions... and so on.. you fully play the identity politics game: White/American/Christian and any slightly differentiation from your "tribe" indicates a competing tribe; an enemy that want to steal your land, rape your women and, drink your wine... and it does not matter how I slice it, they are all enemies... the black/american/christian, the white/mexican/christian, the white/american/jew... in your mind, they are all enemies of your tribe, they are evil and ought to destroy civilization... you are such a tool.

                        I just don't see how I would be able to function on this world, if I had such... handicapped understanding of society, as you do... how you do it? how can you survive while being you?

                        It all makes sense now, you're a true believer.
                        LOL

                        It's probably futile to educate you but...globalism works because of borders, not in spite of them, capitalism exploits the inequalities between economies, between strong and weak currencies, strong and weak regulations, to create a competative advantage.
                        OK... I am not going to dump here an essay of what is globalism and why it is a good idea... Mostly because I think you are incapable of handling such concepts.

                        Also lol @ you being one of these "green" stooges who thinks slapping more taxes on things reduces global warming.
                        The what?

                        ???

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                          from my practical point of view the size of the group can increase or decrease as I see it fit
                          Originally posted by simpleman View Post
                          to claim that a tribe of 300 million people is good and great, but a tribe of 7.5 billions is bad and evil
                          Even some of the 300 million is dead weight, much less the 7.5 billion.

                          The first casualty of multiculti is free association, once your "hunting party" gets big enough, oops you did not hire enough women, ooops you did not hire enough poc, etc etc.

                          It is no longer about having the best hunting party, now you have to carry people to virtue signal.

                          The remainder of your screed reads like "Jewish Global Hegemony."

                          I think for you the tribal agenda and personal agenda is the same.

                          Like I said, you're a "true believer."

                          As far as sacrificing yourself for the tribe, I think this is organic phenomena having to do with "higher interests" than the personal ones, like the safety of your family, your kids, your loved ones, which in some cases an individual can value that more than his own life, also a "social contract." In some society they lionize and glorify their warriors, and give them deference, like "these are our respected guardians." And if you accept that as a social contract, knowing that in case of danger, it's gonna be your bacon in the fire.

                          In /our/ shitty society, I wouldn't piss on someone if they were on fire, there is no respect even for people who pull on the rope, create things, create jobs, real heroic types to try to do for their community, for example men pay most of the taxes and do most of the pulling, and it's like "fuck them, gimme free money."

                          If that's the "social contract" then this "tribe" can go straight to hell.

                          This is not to say all 7.5 billion people on earth are bad.

                          This is to say, 7.5 billion people is too big for a hunting party or even for a useful community.

                          There is no good reason to even attempt administering government on that scale, any kind of "tax benefits" will be outweighed by freeloaders, why bother even being nice or civil with your neighbors when you can be a jerk and demand what you "deserve" from some faceless bureacracy thousands of miles away.

                          There is zero benefit to having a 7.5 billion person "tribe" other than maybe you don't have to update your passport.

                          Otherwise it's a proletarian shitshow.

                          Go look at southern California, that whole area is a garbage dump. LA looks like a zombie apocalypse.

                          Detroit. Chicago. NYC. Paris. London.

                          It's depressing.

                          I don't even want to think about it, much less live in it.

                          If you think "the whole world is my tribe" I respect that, but why are you in America? Why did you leave your country if the whole world is your tribe?

                          Was your tribe not tribey enough in mexico/venezuela/whever?

                          It's funny.

                          People run to whiteyville.

                          And then they go, "the whole world is my tribe!"

                          Like you didn't just run for your life to get away from your beloved tribe.

                          Even in Israel.

                          One day that experiment is gonna fail.

                          And any civilized jews left alive will not be running to Africa.

                          They gonna run to whiteyville.

                          Still talkin bout "the whole world is my tribe" like the world didn't just take a big chunk out of their ass.

                          Step 1. Run to whitey
                          Step 2. "We need more diversity"
                          Step 3. "There's too much crime here and services are shit"
                          Step 4. Go to Step 1

                          lol @ 7.5 billion tribe
                          You can't even walk thru Crown Heights wearing a kippa at night without getting knocked the fuck out

                          Last edited by dubs; 02-13-2019, 01:46 PM.

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                          • #43
                            They can have their "it's all about superior her now" campaign. When women find themselves up against the limits of their fertility window in a world of men who aren't lining up to "do your duty, you eternally remedial, toxic piece of crap" and they have to start making hard choices to realize motherhood, we'll see how much better they think their future is. Some of them smugly think it won't happen that way, because men will ultimately fall in line. Some men will, but I think enough won't that it'll be seen as a crisis that will make a lot of women feel imperiled.

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