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  • "Narrative" - Please stop using that word!

    ::begin rant::

    Any time you hear the word 'narrative', it should signal to you that what you are hearing is a work of fiction... some sort of intersectional, social constructivist, nonsense - where things are cherry-picked to support a pre-determined argument, and since ANYTHING can be arranged that way - if you look hard enough it's not sound reasoning.

    Please, please, please can the MRA's STOP using that word, FFS - OMG, we don't need "narratives" or counter-anything... we need to divorce ourselves from that ideology and approach and use: facts, reason, logic, etc.. to argue with instead.

    Please stop indulging them in their own nonsense!

    ::end rant::
    "De-polarize women and re-moralize men." - Me

  • #2
    The word "narrative" is pretty important because that's what "isms" (including feminism) try to create to present their worldviews to people in a comfortable way that people can understand.
    Thus, anything that counters their narrative is to be attacked and anything that gives credence to their narrative is to be supported.

    Please, please, please can the MRA's STOP using that word, FFS - OMG, we don't need "narratives" or counter-anything... we need to divorce ourselves from that ideology and approach and use: facts, reason, logic, etc.. to argue with instead.
    Whether or not we use facts, reason or logic has nothing to do with the fact that feminists have created a narrative, generally summarized as "woman good, man bad".
    “No one is free who has not obtained the empire of himself. No man is free who cannot command himself.”
    ― Pythagoras

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    • #3
      im with malcolm on this.
      Originally posted by MatrixTransform
      where were you before you put yourself last?
      Originally posted by TheNarrator
      Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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      • #4
        I understand how postmodern 'analysis' and critical theory work and that it's "them" creating "narratives". Does the MRM consider itself to be an -ism as well, if not why do you guys use it and not make your points from a place of reason, logic, etc... Example:

        An Ear for Men - Changing the Cultural Narrative.

        You come off sounding exactly like them is my point when you use their jargon and it send up the same alarm bells in your audience that hearing "narrative" should = fiction.

        Originally posted by malcolm View Post
        The word "narrative" is pretty important because that's what "isms" (including feminism) try to create to present their worldviews to people in a comfortable way that people can understand.
        Thus, anything that counters their narrative is to be attacked and anything that gives credence to their narrative is to be supported.



        Whether or not we use facts, reason or logic has nothing to do with the fact that feminists have created a narrative, generally summarized as "woman good, man bad".
        Last edited by CamilleLion; 04-12-2017, 09:48 PM.
        "De-polarize women and re-moralize men." - Me

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        • #5
          No. We've given enough control of our words to sophists. I am keeping narrative.. its mine... I'll use it as it was intended to be used.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by malcolm View Post
            The word "narrative" is pretty important because that's what "isms" (including feminism) try to create to present their worldviews to people in a comfortable way that people can understand.
            Thus, anything that counters their narrative is to be attacked and anything that gives credence to their narrative is to be supported.



            Whether or not we use facts, reason or logic has nothing to do with the fact that feminists have created a narrative, generally summarized as "woman good, man bad".
            This is pretty much what I came here to write.
            "...but when she goes off you, she will not just walk away, she will walk away with your fucking skin in a jar." ~~ DoctorRandomercam
            "The laws of man, they don't apply when blood gets in a woman's eye" - The Black Keys

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            • #7
              Now "Woke"....I'm 100% on board with getting rid of woke.

              http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showt...quot-woke-quot
              "...but when she goes off you, she will not just walk away, she will walk away with your fucking skin in a jar." ~~ DoctorRandomercam
              "The laws of man, they don't apply when blood gets in a woman's eye" - The Black Keys

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              • #8
                LOL - well at least we agree on something!

                Originally posted by Mifune View Post
                Now "Woke"....I'm 100% on board with getting rid of woke.

                http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showt...quot-woke-quot
                "De-polarize women and re-moralize men." - Me

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                • #9
                  Narrative is problematic...so is 'woke'
                  "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                  And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                  "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                  "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                  "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                  • #10
                    This statement says nothing though about why the MRM uses it. It says:

                    1. Feminist use the term to essentially "create" a narrative (wether or not there is evidence for it) to fit a predetermined and desired outcome that is politically expedient for them. - We all know this to be true.

                    2. It is 'important' - to whom (apart from the above group of people), why?

                    3. Feminists get upset when their narrative is attacked (with what - another narrative or facts, reason, examples, logic, proof, etc...) - We all know this to be true.

                    4. Feminist and their narrative conclude women = good and men = bad. - We all know this to be true.

                    None of these points address WHY you all adopt its use though - you've see the damage it does up close and personal?

                    ... and no, I'm not here to troll you or tell you what to do - just providing you some feedback, do with it what you wish.


                    Originally posted by Mifune View Post
                    This is pretty much what I came here to write.
                    Originally posted by malcolm View Post
                    The word "narrative" is pretty important because that's what "isms" (including feminism) try to create to present their worldviews to people in a comfortable way that people can understand.
                    Thus, anything that counters their narrative is to be attacked and anything that gives credence to their narrative is to be supported.



                    Whether or not we use facts, reason or logic has nothing to do with the fact that feminists have created a narrative, generally summarized as "woman good, man bad".
                    Last edited by CamilleLion; 04-12-2017, 10:02 PM.
                    "De-polarize women and re-moralize men." - Me

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CamilleLion View Post
                      ::begin rant::

                      Any time you hear the word 'narrative', it should signal to you that what you are hearing is a work of fiction... some sort of intersectional, social constructivist, nonsense - where things are cherry-picked to support a pre-determined argument, and since ANYTHING can be arranged that way - if you look hard enough it's not sound reasoning.

                      Please, please, please can the MRA's STOP using that word, FFS - OMG, we don't need "narratives" or counter-anything... we need to divorce ourselves from that ideology and approach and use: facts, reason, logic, etc.. to argue with instead.

                      Please stop indulging them in their own nonsense!

                      ::end rant::
                      What do you use when you want to use it correctly? Language isn't something to be surrendered so easily, words have meanings because those meanings have survived for the purpose of communication and being understood. You are totally right about how feminists misuse, appropriate and aim to control language. It's been extremely damaging, we've seen how they abuse the words equality, rape, gap, difference, gender, rights, entitlement, privilege, representation, representative, suffragism, bossy, feminine, masculine... and countless more. It is wholly deliberate, the more of our shared language they take to their definitions, the more culture and history that uses those words they seize to use as their propaganda.

                      Feminism is a control cult, it's accusations are self descriptions. It gets away with that because it pushes sexism into language, makes the negative apply to men and the positive to feminists. We have to refuse to surrender any more and take back what belongs to us all.
                      "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
                      Originally posted by menrppl2
                      Can't live with em, life is great without them.

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                      • #12
                        So - When I hear "narrative" I immediately think of "social construction" - the stitching together of random elements into a convenient story that conforms to their desired plot and political agenda! It could well be my scientific and deductive and deconstructing bias towards approaching truth speaking here, but whenever I hear someone say "narrative" it sets off alarm bells that someone is stretching for things to tie into an agenda rather than approaching and objectively studying things for what they are, for the effects the have, based on their outcomes, etc... I frankly think it's a huge service to people that they are so sloppy and self-revealing of their approach - they essentially tell you "What you are about to hear is a complete work of fiction" - at which point I dutifully tune out.

                        Take back language by refusing to engage in social constructivism, cultural relativity and postmodern and intersectional jargon!

                        Originally posted by Mifune View Post
                        This is pretty much what I came here to write.
                        Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
                        What do you use when you want to use it correctly? Language isn't something to be surrendered so easily, words have meanings because those meanings have survived for the purpose of communication and being understood. You are totally right about how feminists misuse, appropriate and aim to control language. It's been extremely damaging, we've seen how they abuse the words equality, rape, gap, difference, gender, rights, entitlement, privilege, representation, representative, suffragism, bossy, feminine, masculine... and countless more. It is wholly deliberate, the more of our shared language they take to their definitions, the more culture and history that uses those words they seize to use as their propaganda.

                        Feminism is a control cult, it's accusations are self descriptions. It gets away with that because it pushes sexism into language, makes the negative apply to men and the positive to feminists. We have to refuse to surrender any more and take back what belongs to us all.
                        "De-polarize women and re-moralize men." - Me

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CamilleLion View Post
                          ... and no, I'm not here to troll you or tell you what to do - just providing you some feedback, do with it what you wish.
                          well, then try not buy into somebody else's narrative and you'll blend in just fine

                          you know, like the idea that the entirety of the MRM is monolithic...and uses words wrong.
                          "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                          And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                          "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                          "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                          "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                          • #14
                            I hope I've done a sufficient job of saying that I overwhelmingly reject 'narratives' but do with them as you individually wish of course.

                            Originally posted by MatrixTransform View Post
                            well, then try not buy into somebody else's narrative and you'll blend in just fine
                            "De-polarize women and re-moralize men." - Me

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                            • #15
                              I get the distaste for the word and concept.

                              The latest notion that y'all get a narrative to write yrself into and that those 'stories' somehow magically intersect (unless prescribed) to create a wonderful magical tapestry...is all very annoyingly phenomenological ... or even phenomenon-illogical.

                              But you need to be able to reserve the word narrative, at least to point out that people are using 'narrative' wrong.

                              Have you tried telling the world outside this little bubble we are in now, that their 'narrative' is bullshit?

                              good luck with that.
                              "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                              And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                              "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                              "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                              "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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