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  • #16
    RE: "Fuck Your Opinion" with Victor Zen: Objectifying Women

    Originally posted by Gruffalo
    Actually in all seriousness, since victor.zen brings it up, how would you feel about gay male eyes on your body? How would you feel about being the object? Flattery? Disgust? Laugh it off?

    I'm not asking this question to shame anyone, and I am aware that in the scenario I am asking about there may other factors at play that inform your reaction, I just feel it adds another dimension to the objectification question and its important, I think, to at least be honest with ourselves.
    Well first of all I think it matters to a certain extent what ones own sexuality is - a heterosexual man or woman is more liely to be flattered by admiring looks from opposite sex I would imagine than the admiring looks of same sex person. More specifically I wouldn't mind as long as the "looks" are not the intial part of someone coming on to me as that would make me feel somewhat uncomfortable.

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    • #17
      RE: "Fuck Your Opinion" with Victor Zen: Objectifying Women

      Thanks for answering peeps. Its interesting that we seem to appreciate that anything we feel whilst being objectified is solely down to our own feelings, conditioning, fears, perceptions or taste and not some fault on the part of the observer.

      Originally posted by ComradePrescott
      I always feel a kind of repulsion, but that's simply because I am a heterosexual male. A very ugly woman might stir the same sort of repulsion in me, but I think I've a civil and cordial enough nature that I never let it manifest perceptibly.
      Yup, I feel exactly the same way with the orientation and genders switched.


      Originally posted by ComradePrescott
      Sexual attraction based on physical attributes is in my opinion typically benign.
      ^ This. This to the motherfucking power of 1,000,000 ^

      I really don't understand when sex became such a negative thing in our culture.
      Lazy-arsed gobshite

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      • #18
        RE: "Fuck Your Opinion" with Victor Zen: Objectifying Women

        Originally posted by Gruffalo
        Thanks for answering peeps. Its interesting that we seem to appreciate that anything we feel whilst being objectified is solely down to our own feelings, conditioning, fears, perceptions or taste and not some fault on the part of the observer.

        Originally posted by ComradePrescott
        I always feel a kind of repulsion, but that's simply because I am a heterosexual male. A very ugly woman might stir the same sort of repulsion in me, but I think I've a civil and cordial enough nature that I never let it manifest perceptibly.
        Yup, I feel exactly the same way with the orientation and genders switched.


        Originally posted by ComradePrescott
        Sexual attraction based on physical attributes is in my opinion typically benign.
        ^ This. This to the motherfucking power of 1,000,000 ^

        I really don't understand when sex became such a negative thing in our culture.
        Well, in the interest of complete honesty I will say that sexual attraction based on physical attributes can be malignant. Case and point: pedophilia. Adults who are attracted to the physical attributes of pre-adult humans (regardless of the sex of anyone involved) cannot be considered benign by any moral human being. However, considering sexuality itself malignant because of that is absolutely absurd.

        I'm trying to think of a suitable comparison, but all I can think of is perhaps considering eating meat malignant because eating humans is malignant or considering all women to be unfit for motherhood because some mothers murder their children. It doesn't make sense to paint with such broad strokes.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M

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        • #19
          RE: "Fuck Your Opinion" with Victor Zen: Objectifying Women

          What women are saying is that when a man looks at a woman he should be thinking about what he can do for her and not about sex.

          Sex is the treat that the woman tosses to the pet when it has been a good boy and properly performed the trick. Naughty doggy should not be staring at the treat but paying attention to the commands. Sit. Stay. Beg. Play dead.
          My manner of thinking, so you say, cannot be approved. Do you suppose I care? A poor fool indeed is he who adopts a manner of thinking for others!
          - Marquis de Sade

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          • #20
            RE: "Fuck Your Opinion" with Victor Zen: Objectifying Women

            As bimbocracy (as I prefer to call it) began to gain social traction, it slipped comfortably into the vacuum left by the diminishing adherence to Christianity. The early-morning erections once signs of hideous sin under conservative Protestantism went on being so under the aegis of liberal "feminism." Both institutions intuited that when you can make basic biological imperatives appear sinful in the eyes of the people you want to control, you can get your victims to do 90% of the work for you.
            As long as we remain corporeal beings with a normal sex drive, we'll go on treating one another as objects, so to speak, and there's no reason that can't be a normal, healthy, happy situation--but it's up to each of us to recognize the problem and resist the control these groups would impose.

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            • #21
              RE: "Fuck Your Opinion" with Victor Zen: Objectifying Women

              Recently my wife told me of a man who flirted with her. Damndest thing is she was being coy about it trying to protect my feelings, while I went on to tell her she is beautiful and it
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              • #22
                Here's a couple of quotes I garnered from a group of wives that were distraught when their husbands preferred porn over their post menopausal dried up husks:

                "Why are men willing to be so stupid? A pair of boobs and a crotch shot make them willing to risk everything. Doesn't it bother them to realize that they are viewed as being that dumb?
                Why aren't men outraged that this is how they are viewed ? We women express our outrage as being unintelligent. We do this every opportunity we have. But men are being viewed and treated like dumb little lemmings hopping off into the abyss of artifical sex. Why doesn't this piss them off?"
                But, I still wonder why men are not upset as being targeted as unintelligent. That they are portrayed as people that have no depth, no brains (except for the small one in their other head), and confuse populating the world as a hand involved activity instead of a partner, wife, loved one activity. Where is the male outrage?
                Women have stood up to being objectified, being told we have no value, and being told we are unintelligent. We work for that to change. Why aren't they?"

                She's genuinely confused as to why men aren't doing something to change their inherent sexuality to better conform with the demands of their nagging wives. The idea that male sexuality is very different from female sexuality, and that good monogamous relationships (rare as they are) become less about sexual intimacy over time, appears to have flown right over her head.

                She shames male sexuality and demands to know why men aren't outraged and doing something about it. We'll maybe it's time we did the same. I demand to know why women aren't outraged about objectification, and why they aren't covering up those boobies to put a stop to this unnatural male desire...

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