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  • #16
    Originally posted by nawotsme View Post
    No dmschlom, Community Treatment Orders are a way to restrict a person living in the community. Usually involves attending the hospital for Depot injections weekly. Like a short leash. It cuts out the need for infrastructure, but can be used to cast a wide net and forcibly drug people without their consent. The use of them has exploded here in Australia, so much so that they are looking at giving doctors the powers of psychiatrists without any psychiatric training. They need people to write up tickets basically, because the psychiatrists can't keep up.

    It effectively removes a persons civil rights, based on nothing more than an opinion of a (feminist?) psychiatrist.

    There seems to have been a wave of legislation that is eroding civil rights at a rapid rate. Our new Muslim Hygiene Act (being facetious here, anti terror laws), anti association laws, joint enterprise laws in the UK, and a huge expansion of powers under the Mental Health Acts.

    I think that gynocentrism, and healthcare profits can co exist. two birds, one stone.
    This is totalitarian. The US, I think, is slightly different from that.

    I do know one thing, though. Schizophrenia is diagnosed in blacks at a rate four times that of whites -- that's proof of massive fraud. However, in the USA, if you pay attention to all sorts of media outlets here, there are the beginnings of a backlash against conventional psychiatry. In the Wall Street Journal, in the New York Times, and in all sorts of other places. I recall reading in the New York Times someone writing an op ed where they said they noted that a study of recent (as of maybe year ago) NYT articles on psychiatry showed an unprecedented number of articles criticizing the mental health system. Modern psychiatry, in its current form in the USA, is on the verge of being declared a scientifically bankrupt and obsolete field.

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    • #17
      I recall you saying that you had read Whittakers Anatomy of an Epidemic.

      It's complex, but what concerns me is this.

      Psychiatry historically has always been a tool of oppression and social control. Not the only function it serves but it has certainly been done. Gays, Germany during WWII, Russia, even the Mad Dog Ghadafi used psychitrists to silence his rape victims.

      If (and I emphasise this if), our government and large corporations have been gradually infected with feminist ideology via the process described by Gramsci, what uses would psychiatry be put to? Medicating men for being men? Medicating boys for being boys? Would the paths of treatment differ for men and women? And if so, how?

      A question arises for me about the rates of diagnosis of schizophrenia among blacks you describe above. What is the percentage of male and females? I know when I look for such data it is very rarely available. Might just be my suspicious nature but there are certain areas that one can not get a breakdown by gender where it would be vital, and very revealing. I'm not implying a direct conspiracy, but I find data lacking in certain areas where it would demonstrate a gender bias against men. Where a gender bias against women is concerned it usually makes front page news.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJV81mdj1ic

      What can I say?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by nawotsme View Post
        I recall you saying that you had read Whittakers Anatomy of an Epidemic.

        It's complex, but what concerns me is this.

        Psychiatry historically has always been a tool of oppression and social control. Not the only function it serves but it has certainly been done. Gays, Germany during WWII, Russia, even the Mad Dog Ghadafi used psychitrists to silence his rape victims.

        If (and I emphasise this if), our government and large corporations have been gradually infected with feminist ideology via the process described by Gramsci, what uses would psychiatry be put to? Medicating men for being men? Medicating boys for being boys? Would the paths of treatment differ for men and women? And if so, how?

        A question arises for me about the rates of diagnosis of schizophrenia among blacks you describe above. What is the percentage of male and females? I know when I look for such data it is very rarely available. Might just be my suspicious nature but there are certain areas that one can not get a breakdown by gender where it would be vital, and very revealing. I'm not implying a direct conspiracy, but I find data lacking in certain areas where it would demonstrate a gender bias against men. Where a gender bias against women is concerned it usually makes front page news.
        I am not sure if there is much disparity between males and females. That's because they diagnose huge numbers of the male population in prison with something -- and put them on drugs. Except, I think a lot of that is nothing other than payoffs to pharmaceutical companies who donate to politicians. And, the black women who get diagnosed merely get diagnosed ON THE OUTSIDE.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by dmschlom View Post
          I am not sure if there is much disparity between males and females. That's because they diagnose huge numbers of the male population in prison with something -- and put them on drugs. Except, I think a lot of that is nothing other than payoffs to pharmaceutical companies who donate to politicians. And, the black women who get diagnosed merely get diagnosed ON THE OUTSIDE.
          There is certainly moves in psychiatry to get a big slice of the prison pie. So much so that here where I live they want to build a new psychiatric hospital within the confines of a prison. A lot of folk have been duped with the 'chemical imbalance' myth, and believing that the drugs they are feeding people are 'medications'. Once your labelled and hooked on the drugs, if you try and stop taking them then the symptoms of withdrawal are used to label the person with more mental illness, and thus require more drugs. Huge profits to be made, and a market the local crack dealers could only dream of having lol.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJV81mdj1ic

          What can I say?

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          • #20
            I am with Nawotsme here. I have had extensive psychiatric treatment in the past and my experience of psychiatric professionals is that they are brutally unsympathetic, especially the female ones. It is one of the primary reasons that I am here.

            However, I respect the new policy and the reasons behind it. In an ideal world we would be able to help these people. But we are not living in an ideal world.

            Perhaps we could have a prominent headline somewhere on the main page that suicidal men would see when they first get here, directing them to the relevant policy statement?

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            • #21
              I like Bob Dylan's version of this song, but post this one as an easier listen.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tSV6nNTGO8

              I was listening to this and got to thinking about how Hollis would be 'treated' by Mental Health Services. Given a label of depression (Bi polar) and given a prescription for Prozac. Detained under the MHA and forcefully drugged? I know that if he approached me for help, I'd be giving him some money to feed his kids. Which of these approaches is going to have the best effect I wonder?

              How often do we hear of tragedies like this and it gets called 'untreated mental illness' and requires 'intervention'. Does it? Still, doctor knows best.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJV81mdj1ic

              What can I say?

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