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    Hello everyone,

    My name is Dee and I had been a member here last year, but I'm guessing my account was deleted due to inactivity .. as well as the very few things I've written.

    I join again today because I always appreciated the high level of respect and maturity found on "A Voice for Men" as opposed to other forums in which hostility seemed to be the norm.

    But then again, the whole world is apparently unable to accommodate friendly discussion these days, and thoughts are fiercely defended rather than shared.

    I've been roaming around the site for a few days, waiting for my account to be moderated, and I've enjoyed a lot of what I read, even when I found myself in disagreement at times, because at least I felt the "normalcy" of some ideas exchanged in here as opposed to the abnormal ones forced upon us under the guise of progress.

    I try not to label myself under categories since we all have our own misconceptions about labels. Overall .. honesty, simplicity, and directness are things I always gravitate towards .. which explains my detest for politicians and governments in general.

    I trust in people because they are human beings while institutions are not. I believe that without the interference of politics & propaganda, peaceful human interaction would be inevitable due to our humanness and simple dreams of settling down. Our goals are simple, while institutions are driven by greed .. and money truly is the root of all evil when it is the sole goal of any pursuit.

    We've been indoctrinated into placing so many layers .. of race, gender, and religion onto others that we're blinded from perceiving their humanity. By consciously removing these layers, we are only removing our own fears, ignorance, and prejudice and therefore .. allow genuine communication.

    As for what "A Voice for Men" stands for, I can honestly say that I'm neither a "feminist" nor an "anti feminist" but rather, I find myself in complete disagreement with how "feminism" has been perceived, interpreted, and reacted to.

    There are a lot of things to be said, but for the most part, what intrigues me is the ongoing debate about how feminism has "ruined" patriarchy in Western communities, which I find ludicrous and I'll explain why. Also, it bothers me that no one seems to retrace the reason behind the feminist movement, which I think goes way beyond a bunch of women trying to be men.

    Why did feminism rise only in Western civilizations? Religion has nothing to do with it since many gender-traditional countries are also non-religious. Why do many women in the West want to be treated like men and thus attain the "male status"? Why is it that a lot of people here, male & female alike, want to appear, act, or be aggressive? I've been thinking about these issues and I've always gone back to this answer: It's the construct of power on which Western civilization was built. It's a big topic, at least for me, and I hope we can share ideas about that on the forum.

    Anyway, I believe that the "world" in which we live has always been patriarchal and will always remain that way. This is a fact whether acknowledged or not; men are always initiators while women are always followers. This by no means suggests the "inferiority" of one gender to another but a statement regarding our basic constitution and nature as human beings who compliment one another through our differences. In fact, the greater the polarity we have between us as men and women, the greater the attraction.

    Examples of that are all around. Major traffic accident, fires, natural disasters .. a damn burglar in the house .. you name it. Who's always rushing to the rescue? Who will instinctively, and to this day, make the decision to initiate action? And who will instinctively wait to be saved? Men will always be yang: initiators and active by nature, while women will always be yin: gentle and nurturers by their own nature. Otherwise, we would have gone extinct long ago. And human nature does not change, only human actions do. So maybe through greed and the pursuit of power .. the normal dynamics between genders may shift, but their natures never change.

    This is why I'm always saddened by the full-fledged war that's going on between genders because it's never going to be a solution to anything. Ever since humanity was created, it's always been about the two of us. Once I learned what MGTOW stood for, I couldn't help but wonder .. go their own way? Go where? And are there any women on the other side? Why risk our own continuity and go against human nature out of spite or out of being angry?

    As for feminism specifically, I read some posts here about re-constructing the current model of feminism into one that is more rational. Frankly, I don't mind if the whole word got tossed out the window, never mind the re-construction. From what I've seen so far, feminism has nothing to do with women at all but with men. It really is funny in a way, how feminism solely revolves around men .. their issues, their pursuit, their problems no matter how big or small .. while real women problems are never brought up.

    Think about it:
    "We want our nipples freed just like the mens' nipples!"
    "Incriminate cat-calling cuz men never get catcalled!"
    "We don't want to fear rape because men don't!"
    "Increase soccer funds for girls to match the boys'!"

    These aren't women issues but a life that revolves around men as well as the desire to be treated like a man. Here's an idea. Want women to be women? Reverse our roles for a while and stay at home. Play along and can I guarantee you that within 6 months, feminists will be lined up to complain about how you men stole the job they were destined to do. Four months if y'all pretend to lactate.

    Feminism isn't about women, but many still seek it despite its flaws & harm. Feminism, in essence, isn't about men either but about the pursuit of the "male status", yet this is only because it seems to correspond with the term "power". Again, I think this heavily relates to the construct of power in Western civilizations, which can be seen through their ranking as the most dominant continents, especially after the industrial revolution and the "hunger for more", as well as through their interaction with the rest of the world, most of which are modest & humble in comparison.

    By the way, all feminist bills and laws came into being today through legislators, who are predominantly male. But then again they're politicians and/or conglomerate soulless devils, and I know where I stand with those. So you're basically not fighting women but an entire system that is dismantling the very core of our continuity as an ethnic group: the family structure.

    It's not about us vs. you but about our inseparable lives as two genders whose souls were created to dwell in one another.

    I'm sorry about how long this intro turned out to be .. anyway this is where I'm coming from

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    Welcome to the AVFM forums Dee. I think most of your views are a bit simplistic, can easily be debunked (and have been countless times in these forums alone), and are rather self-serving (from a woman's standpoint), but welcome nonetheless.
    “No one is free who has not obtained the empire of himself. No man is free who cannot command himself.”
    ― Pythagoras

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    • #3
      MGTOW isnt about anger or spite.

      its about self preservation and interest.

      welcome to the boards.
      Originally posted by MatrixTransform
      where were you before you put yourself last?
      Originally posted by TheNarrator
      Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dee View Post
        Hello everyone
        Hiya

        Feminism, in essence, isn't about men either but about the pursuit of the "male status", yet this is only because it seems to correspond with the term "power". Again, I think this heavily relates to the construct of power in Western civilizations
        Certainly a view with the finest of pedigrees:
        "Humankind craves the feeling of power. The history of the means we have employed to achieve that feeling is practically the history of European culture." (F. W. Nietzsche)

        Feminism is so twisted, it's harder to grasp than an dozen fence posts. Good to be reminded of some of the twists we do not always have in view.

        M

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        • #5
          Welcome to the forums

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          • #6
            hello Dee.
            "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

            And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

            "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
            "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

            "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dee View Post
              Hello everyone,

              My name is Dee and I had been a member here last year, but I'm guessing my account was deleted due to inactivity .. as well as the very few things I've written.

              I join again today because I always appreciated the high level of respect and maturity found on "A Voice for Men" as opposed to other forums in which hostility seemed to be the norm.


              It's not about us vs. you but about our inseparable lives as two genders whose souls were created to dwell in one another.

              I'm sorry about how long this intro turned out to be .. anyway this is where I'm coming from


              Hi Dee,

              Welcome to the forums! Glad to have you, to debate or just hang out-- your choice (or both ;-)
              FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
              It's time to call it out for what it is.



              The World of Men - Men's Rights / MGTOW / Sites of Interest to Men

              http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showt...nterest-to-Men

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              • #8
                malcolm

                You may have labeled my ideas as simplistic because of my reverting back to the basic foundation that governs us all as male and female. However, this is an age-old school of thought that has risen in the Far East and involves observing human nature through specific elements that govern us as well as following the rules according to the natural order of the universe. It was very enlightening, at least for me.

                I don't know how my views were considered self-serving since I attempted to portray how we're all in this together. But if you're attributing this to me having associated feminism with factors that to you seem unorthodox, then you've only revealed unintentional bias. You see feminism as the reason, which I honestly believe barely scratches the surface. The underlying reason, which I think is the core issue, is worth looking at at least. In any case, the truth serves us all.

                I will try to find the articles you referred to in hope for further clarity, but if you would mention some specifically, I would be much obliged

                TheNarrator

                You are only preserving The Narrator, whereas we want all narrators preserved

                Manalysis

                I hope I don't ever have to be on the opposite side of any debate with you, especially on matters I consider foundational (gulp). Those with knowledge inadvertently transcend. Je te vois.

                Deidre

                For some reason, you're the only person I remember from when I was here last. Might have to do with similar perspectives


                MatrixTransform and mr_e


                Opinion outshines bravery

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dee View Post

                  Deidre

                  For some reason, you're the only person I remember from when I was here last. Might have to do with similar perspectives
                  lol Maybe. Was your username ''Dee'' then, as well?

                  I identified as a feminist for a few years, shortly before joining this site. Look forward to your posts!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dee View Post
                    MatrixTransform and mr_e


                    Opinion outshines bravery
                    be careful what you wish for~! hahaha


                    and your comment to me sort of made no sense.
                    Originally posted by MatrixTransform
                    where were you before you put yourself last?
                    Originally posted by TheNarrator
                    Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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                    • #11
                      It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

                      --Mark Twain
                      "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

                      And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

                      "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
                      "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

                      "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

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                      • #12
                        Hello Dee, i remember when i first joined this forum, so young and green, but this form will teach you a lot, most of it will be unpleasant but that is why we call it the red pill, for one, as others already stated, MGTOW is, at its core, not about hate, many newer members go trough this phase but in the end it is about cutting your losses in a world that seems determined to grind you down into a pulp. Read some of what the members here went trough if you want to understand it better. Also sadly enough nature is a cruel mother, men and women are complementary to each other sure enough but are also in constant competition with each other, this is not the only such relation, i recently read that the womb has a layer of tissue covering it because mother and child are in sort of evolutionary arms race where the child wants to extract more resources from the mother (thereby increasing its chance of survival) while mother wants to limit this. It all comes down to who´s genes get to survive, they say that the best techniques are passed on by survivors and that is true of evolution too, but our society depends on neither gender gaining too much of the upper hand and being able to bring the other down, at this moment women quite successfully used their inborn advantages to climb the ladder, it is not just feminism, feminism was just the catalyst, not that i fault women for doing so, such behavior is 100% natural, we all want to secure as much resources as we can for ourselves, but if this continues for much longer we may be looking at total societal collapse (it happened before) and in that case reorganizing our society will be out of our hands, it will organize itself automatically, but we may not particularly like the result, or the process.
                        I sexually identify as a sword pommel, check your privilege or i will have to end you RIGHTLY.

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                        • #13
                          Deidre
                          I can't exactly remember, which is why I went through past threads on the introduction so as to spot it & attempt to re-sign in. Coulda been rabbit something ..


                          TheNarrator

                          If wishing for bravery were to be feared, then there would be nothing left for us to wish for.


                          And I meant "you are only preserving yourself, whereas we want all men preserved."


                          Originally posted by Anonymous View Post
                          Hello Dee, i remember when i first joined this forum, so young and green, but this form will teach you a lot, most of it will be unpleasant but that is why we call it the red pill, for one, as others already stated, MGTOW is, at its core, not about hate, many newer members go trough this phase but in the end it is about cutting your losses in a world that seems determined to grind you down into a pulp. Read some of what the members here went trough if you want to understand it better. Also sadly enough nature is a cruel mother, men and women are complementary to each other sure enough but are also in constant competition with each other, this is not the only such relation, i recently read that the womb has a layer of tissue covering it because mother and child are in sort of evolutionary arms race where the child wants to extract more resources from the mother (thereby increasing its chance of survival) while mother wants to limit this. It all comes down to who´s genes get to survive, they say that the best techniques are passed on by survivors and that is true of evolution too, but our society depends on neither gender gaining too much of the upper hand and being able to bring the other down, at this moment women quite successfully used their inborn advantages to climb the ladder, it is not just feminism, feminism was just the catalyst, not that i fault women for doing so, such behavior is 100% natural, we all want to secure as much resources as we can for ourselves, but if this continues for much longer we may be looking at total societal collapse (it happened before) and in that case reorganizing our society will be out of our hands, it will organize itself automatically, but we may not particularly like the result, or the process.
                          Anonymous

                          - I wouldn't be here if I thought this forum was unpleasant. I hope you don't think it's unpleasant. Anyway it all depends on how this place is run, like everything else in this world

                          - Nature isn't cruel at all but perfect. We are cruel and make bad choices. Plus, I don't think it's natural for men and women to be competing against each other within a relationship. Men usually complete against men, women against women. Together they're complementary. Having them compete against each other as a couple is unbalanced and repelling.

                          - The thickness of the womb protects & nourishes the fetus. There would actually be no pregnancy without having that layer become thick enough for the embryo to attach itself onto and remain attached till delivery. Also, the mother cannot limit the fetus from taking anything it needs to grow. Pregnancy is a natural process and holds no risks, and any harm that could occur is mostly due to bad choices the mother makes, especially poor nutrition. It's a baby not a parasite :P

                          - You say MGTOW isn't about hate. I completely agree. Letting go isn't about hate at all. Despair maybe, but not hate. I like how you phrased the term cutting your losses in reference to the "movement" because it implies so much, mostly how we're failing each other as genders, as well as being labeled - us women - as losses and burdens rather than partners to gain.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dee View Post
                            TheNarrator

                            You are only preserving The Narrator, whereas we want all narrators preserved


                            TheNarrator

                            If wishing for bravery were to be feared, then there would be nothing left for us to wish for.


                            And I meant "you are only preserving yourself, whereas we want all men preserved."


                            what?
                            im so confuzzled, enggrrish..do you speak it?.
                            Last edited by TheNarrator; 03-14-2017, 11:47 PM.
                            Originally posted by MatrixTransform
                            where were you before you put yourself last?
                            Originally posted by TheNarrator
                            Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dee View Post
                              I like how you phrased the term cutting your losses in reference to the "movement" because it implies so much, mostly how we're failing each other as genders, as well as being labeled - us women - as losses and burdens rather than partners to gain.
                              men are failing? please explain. (i agree but i bet its not the same way you think)

                              also. please explain how you're not burdens and losses.
                              Last edited by TheNarrator; 03-15-2017, 12:32 AM.
                              Originally posted by MatrixTransform
                              where were you before you put yourself last?
                              Originally posted by TheNarrator
                              Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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