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  • #46
    What exactly is an ally? The internet is full of anti-feminists who agree with the MRM on given issues, but will practically trip over themselves to deny they are MRAs.

    I'm glad that people like Sommers and Paglia are out there. But I'm skeptical toward the feminist label in general. I respect both to a degree, but I don't think we can rely on them for any meaningful support around our issues.

    When someone says or does something good, I'll support them. When they are worthy of criticism, I'll criticize them. But as far as men's issues, I don't think we can count on feminists. Sommers, in particular, thinks that feminism can be "fixed." I don't think it can be salvaged at all, because its core beliefs are inherently anti-male.

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    • #47
      Feminist is a label just like MGTOW. Who defines what it really is? These labels loose their meaning after a point because they get lost in all of the nuance. I wouldn't get stuck on using them. The women mentioned above say they are feminist. Who am I to tell them they are not? Clearly they are not in the same camp as big red or mattress girl. Like FailureToCrash says, support them when they are doing good and criticize them when the deserve that. Sticking with labels gets people to defend the indefensible and to not see opportunities when they present themselves. Try not to be dogmatic about any of this gender war crap.
      I used to think collapse was inevitable. Now I realize it is necessary.

      It was only a matter of time before the bicycles realized that they in fact did not need the fish.

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      • #48
        there are no feminist allies.
        you know why?
        anyone with logic reason and common sense would detach themselves from that evil movement.

        i often use this analogy..i think it is very suited to it:


        say you're a german in 1925.. socialist party comes out and does great things. you start calling yourself a socialist.
        at what point do you STOP calling yourself one?
        Originally posted by MatrixTransform
        where were you before you put yourself last?
        Originally posted by TheNarrator
        Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by FlightlessBird View Post
          You see women as lesser too.

          Nothing you've said has anything to do with Pizzeys view. But you object to her desire to give women a choice, yet say that you reject that women are in any way controlled. I cant reconcile those two statements.
          women can start being equal the moment they start taking accountability for their actions. (i consider individual women equal because they do. but as a whole..the "sex of women" isnt equal. they take no accountability)
          your claim above is pure shame. pretending women are controlled and men arnt.
          you're the one who thinks women are inferior ..its in your very post.
          Originally posted by MatrixTransform
          where were you before you put yourself last?
          Originally posted by TheNarrator
          Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by TheDarkMan View Post
            Hoff Sommers is no feminist. Lots of women identify as feminists but are no such thing. The lovely Malala calls herself a feminist. I'd love to see some hack ask her what she thinks about "gay" rights. We'd soon see how much of a feminist she is then.
            Many women say they're feminists because it's now the cool thing to say, without having thought about the matter. Many men say they support feminism for the same reason, it's now a fashion.

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