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  • #46
    Originally posted by Deidre View Post
    Feminists believe they speak for all women but even if I don't identify as a feminist, I can be part of the "protected class" simply because I'm a woman. The key is to not take advantage of such a position as a woman.

    Yes and no.

    Yes, because... thanks!

    No, for the same reason MGTOW is ultimately a misguided effort (not that the people practicing it are misguided, only in that it has no future-- unless society keeps creating new MGTOW's).
    FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
    It's time to call it out for what it is.



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    • #47
      Originally posted by Manalysis View Post
      And I didn't have the facts of the matter. Just forget the whole thing

      M

      What were we talking about again?
      FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
      It's time to call it out for what it is.



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      • #48
        Originally posted by Deidre View Post
        Feminists believe they speak for all women but even if I don't identify as a feminist, I can be part of the "protected class" simply because I'm a woman. The key is to not take advantage of such a position as a woman.
        You know what is funny? My daughter's mother, the one who really hosed me, was anti-feminist 15 years ago. Then she used the system, which she fully admitted was biased in her favor, against me.

        I guess the moral is, "You don't have to be a feminist to be a bad person," which isn't nearly as interesting as I thought when I started this post

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        • #49
          Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
          As a non American, there is a lot I can't understand. The rest of the world has a complicated relationship with the US, for a long time

          [...]

          There is no way this brand of feminism can be called a woman's rights movement, it is not at all. It's about political power,

          [...]
          Lots of good points in there, just too many to list. You're right, it IS all just about political power. That is why the anti-male rhetoric has been amping up higher and higher. And the irony-- the SUPREME IRONY-- is that Feminism exists on the backs of MEN. It is MEN who permit it to exist. Without MALE BUY-IN, Feminism wouldn't be-- COULDN'T BE a tiny candle compared to what it is today. Even now, if Men collectively rejected it, it would fall flat on its face overnight. The danger of Feminism, ironically, isn't from the WOMEN, but rather it's from the MEN they have aligned themselves with. By themselves they would simply be a nuisance.

          But Feminists are using the system that they call "Patriarchy" (that the rest of us call equality / equitable living / productive society) to hoist themselves into power, so they can change it and pervert it into something it never was. And they are busy breaking it. I don't even know if it's possible to put all the pieces back together again.

          And it isn't that women need to be held down and enslaved-- it isn't that women can't lead or govern-- it's that FEMINISM is a fucking hate group. It would be like handing the reigns of the country over to a bunch of Ku Klux Klansman-- who I'm sure would just bust a nut at the chance-- and saying "Here ya go fellers... we've had a pretty good run, see what you can do with it." I shudder to think what that society would look like. And I have the exact same feelings and concerns about what things would be like with Feminism at the helm.

          Every single one of us here has had our dealings with Feminism / Feminists in one way or another. They are not unknown to us. We all know first hand how we get treated in the society that they *DON'T* control. Just imagine what it would be like to live in a world they *DID* control. I suppose there are many here-- you Voidspawn, among them-- who know much better than I do what living in an overly Feminized society is like-- and your societies are only just barely ramping up to being Feminist. Just wait until they really have a go at it.

          And in *EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE* that I can think of-- when they get into office / power, they obfuscate / ignore / deflect any issues related to men. They're not about "Equality"-- that's the FARTHEST FUCKING THING FROM THEIR MINDS. It is not now, and never was, and never will be about "equality". It is only about WOMEN. And that's it. And not even ALL women at that. Just the ones who agree to tacitly go along with their bullshit schemes and not call them out on their hatred and sexist bigotry.

          We can't even make ONE GODDAMNED FILM about OUR ISSUES without having HATEFUL FEMINISTS ALL OVER THE FUCKING WORLD shit all over it, LIE ABOUT IT, act to Censor it, Petition to Shut Down the Movie Theaters, Gather outside to disrupt the venue.

          THAT IS HOW SCARED THEY ARE OF THE TRUTH.

          And it IS the truth. We know it. And THEY know it.

          And worst of all-- THEY DON'T CARE.

          So why do WE CARE? We keep supporting them. We keep looking the other way and letting them do it to us. We are sitting in the frying pan WATCHING THEM TURNING UP THE HEAT and sitting around jawboning about it...

          "Oh look... there she goes... turning up the knob just a little bit more...."

          "Yup, it is getting a mite warm in here... do you think the heat will let up soon?"

          "Yup yup... I reckon soon"..


          That would be US, including you and me.

          Men are so fucking stupid sometimes-- including me. Why can't we ever come together and push collectively for our own issues.
          FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
          It's time to call it out for what it is.



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          • #50
            Originally posted by StrongSilentType View Post
            You know what is funny? My daughter's mother, the one who really hosed me, was anti-feminist 15 years ago. Then she used the system, which she fully admitted was biased in her favor, against me.

            I guess the moral is, "You don't have to be a feminist to be a bad person," which isn't nearly as interesting as I thought when I started this post

            It's okay. We like you anyway. Sorry you got shit on. I wish there was something I could do to make it better.

            I wish Men would stop going it alone and get together to collectivize and work on addressing our issues.

            Until then, we're all going to keep getting screwed over and hosed by Feminists and it's policies and effects-- over and over.
            FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
            It's time to call it out for what it is.



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            • #51
              Hi,

              I'm here with one of my misreadings again

              Originally posted by mr_e View Post
              You're right, it IS all just about political power. That is why the anti-male rhetoric has been amping up higher and higher.
              Yup.

              (/Moved up:/) But Feminists are using the system that they call "Patriarchy" (that the rest of us call equality / equitable living / productive society)
              Idk ... there is the system, the productive society, on the one hand ...
              Feminists' "Patriarchy", however - IMO - is rooted in post-modern post-structuralist gobbledygook about mens' defective psyche making them turn the world into a shithole.
              It's not that there are some men who are defective - men are the defect.
              Look at e.g. the rationalization for "manspreading" - not that it's an ineffective use of space, but that it is men expressing "their toxic hegemonic masculinity by dominating space"
              by exposing their crotch instead of pressing the knees firmly together like good virginal maidens.
              And that way we are permanently, because constitutionally, placed in the wrong and hence in a state of unlimited and unceasing susceptibility to extortion.

              to hoist themselves into power, so they can change it and pervert it into something it never was. And they are busy breaking it. I don't even know if it's possible to put all the pieces back together again.
              Nah ... I think the system is way more robust than that. I see it as a rich man allowing his wife to open a interior decorating boutique that will never make a profit.
              As soon as harder times set in, whoosh goes her hobby.

              Because
              ... the irony-- the SUPREME IRONY-- is that Feminism exists on the backs of MEN. It is MEN who permit it to exist. Without MALE BUY-IN, Feminism wouldn't be-- COULDN'T BE a tiny candle compared to what it is today. Even now, if Men collectively rejected it, it would fall flat on its face overnight. The danger of Feminism, ironically, isn't from the WOMEN, but rather it's from the MEN they have aligned themselves with. By themselves they would simply be a nuisance.
              How to pry apart that alliance?

              (/Moved up:/) And in *EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE* that I can think of-- when they get into office / power, they obfuscate / ignore / deflect any issues related to men.
              Except for the cases where they use their power to actively repress men. Think food aid in Haïti for women only.

              We all know first hand how we get treated in the society that they *DON'T* control. Just imagine what it would be like to live in a world they *DID* control.
              I want that on a T-shirt. Now.



              M
              Last edited by Manalysis; 03-21-2017, 12:42 PM.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by mr_e View Post
                It's okay. We like you anyway. Sorry you got shit on. I wish there was something I could do to make it better.

                I wish Men would stop going it alone and get together to collectivize and work on addressing our issues.

                Until then, we're all going to keep getting screwed over and hosed by Feminists and it's policies and effects-- over and over.
                Men tend to react when they see or experience the danger. Unfortunately it's partly our own nature, that if someone tells them something to worry about, they'll dismiss that person as a worrywart.

                However feminists are through their laws and negative media attacking more men than ever. They've undermined basic principles of justice and society, such as right to a fair trial, face your accuser - at least confront the evidence against you, right to justice when falsely accused, right of presumed innocence (not found innocent but merely an unconvicted rapist / abuser) in effect when a male is accused by a female or on behalf of a female the right to trial by jury of peers is corrupted that it's gone.

                This isn't trivial stuff, or tweaking the system, this is ripping the heart of the agreement that lets us live together as a society and nation to pieces. This is a wide open door to state oppression, state just needs to collude with a woman and any man can be silenced.

                I think MRM in the UK really should lock into their minds the Mark Pearson case and the Ched Evans case. Both eventually cleared but with devastated lives.

                Each case demonstrates a key thing.

                The Mark Pearson case was a wholly unfounded accusation about a sexual assault (that never happened) where he was accused of fingering an actress as he walked past her in a busy train station when he was walking to an exit carrying a newspaper. He was selected for prosecution because security video showed he walked past her, in a busy station. That was it the full weight of the law and a biased court went into action to convict him. He had to fight to prove innocence just to get a not guilty verdict. A massive miscarriage of justice to a level of utter evil narrowly averted by a jury of peers, who were not willing to accept being completely lied to.

                This case shows it could happen to anyone, regardless of no evidence if a woman (with verifiable mental issues) makes the accusation the state will aim to drive a conviction against ANY man it can to satisfy her.

                The Ched Evans case is far more scummy on his part. Mark Pearson was a completely innocent could happen to ANY man, very much a man any of us could be. Ched Evans was a footballer, who enjoyed sex with a drunk woman picked up by a friend. He cheated on a very loyal girlfriend (who in fact, not only stood by him but saved him from a false conviction and has helped in every way possible to restore his life - she is quite frankly amazing), he cheated on this girlfriend for cheap bit of porn style 2 guys one girl sex. The moral outrage of the nutters of society in this case screamed down the house. The guy was guilty of being a complete ass, but he wasn't a rapist.

                The state system took the girls complaint that she felt she'd been given drugs in her drinks, because she couldn't remember anything (she got extremely drunk, as best I know the drug tests were negative) however she told the state prosecutors she'd had a sexual encounter whilst in this condition. The state then decided she was raped and Ched Evans was convicted and jailed. Football career destroyed and many thousands of celebrating feminists and total wazzuks. Key point the accuser, did not accuse Evans of raping or drugging her, the state manufactured the charges.

                After his release upon serving his sentence with time off for good behaviour, the feminists and media set about destroying any return to football. Clubs were media harassed if they even dared talk to him. He was attacked for having maintained his innocence (of rape - not of making an extremely poor judgement.)

                There was evidence and testimony that all acts were consensual, he gave her oral sex guided by her instructions. She pro actively didn't accuse him. Evans, and his girlfriend had to fight the state to get it to take into account the girl's non accusation and the evidence of consent, witnesses at the scene. They got a retrial on presentation of further evidence, which included 2 former lovers of the girl who confirmed that the words Evans and the other witnesses related to the court, were in fact the same words and behaviour she used to consent with them. Feminists and the state tried to get that evidence thrown out as defaming the victim from her past sexual history. Evans narrowly won that case, a young male, good looking, privileged, successfully start in a football career, amazingly loyal girlfriend and her father who supported him and paid for defence lawyers far out of reach to anyone else.

                Two cases both pushed to extremes by the state 1) where the accusation was demonstrably baseless, 2) where the was no accusation.
                "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
                Originally posted by menrppl2
                Can't live with em, life is great without them.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
                  However feminists are through their laws and negative media attacking more men than ever. They've undermined basic principles of justice and society
                  These two stories are scary.

                  As to the quoted point, the fems have managed to pull another sleight-of-hand trick: they have redefined "legal protection", i.e. an individual's rights that safeguards him against the power of the state,
                  to "legal protection for women", which means that the Judicial system, police and the courts, now must fulfill the function of Miss Teacher or Principal whom they can runt to and "tell" that some boy did something wrong.

                  M

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Manalysis View Post
                    These two stories are scary.

                    As to the quoted point, the fems have managed to pull another sleight-of-hand trick: they have redefined "legal protection", i.e. an individual's rights that safeguards him against the power of the state,
                    to "legal protection for women", which means that the Judicial system, police and the courts, now must fulfill the function of Miss Teacher or Principal whom they can runt to and "tell" that some boy did something wrong.

                    M
                    Mark Pearson gave a talk at ICMI16 in London. Same time when Phillip Davies MP had the feminists up in arms over his cake analogy. For me this was the keynote talk (I wasn't there but watched all the videos and interviews), it's harrowing stuff.

                    "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
                    Originally posted by menrppl2
                    Can't live with em, life is great without them.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by StrongSilentType View Post
                      You know what is funny? My daughter's mother, the one who really hosed me, was anti-feminist 15 years ago. Then she used the system, which she fully admitted was biased in her favor, against me.

                      I guess the moral is, "You don't have to be a feminist to be a bad person," which isn't nearly as interesting as I thought when I started this post
                      I feel bad for you No one deserves to go through what you and other men go through in the courts.

                      It's true...a woman doesn't need to identify as a feminist in order to live like one.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Deidre View Post
                        I feel bad for you No one deserves to go through what you and other men go through in the courts.

                        It's true...a woman doesn't need to identify as a feminist in order to live like one.
                        And that is the real evil of Feminism.
                        FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
                        It's time to call it out for what it is.



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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by StrongSilentType View Post
                          Um, no, this leftie is running from selfish feminist-capitalists (isn't the fact that their basic attribute is the same a big clue?); I support socialism in the mixed economy, so why would I have any more opposition to "reds" than to capitalists?




                          "Feminism's boogie-man used to be capitalism, but then they moved the goalposts and made it patriarchy."

                          -Erin Pizzey
                          "patriarchy is only the latest iteration of the Marxist argument...proletariat and bourgeoisie. Same ideology. Now the play is to associate them with the economic system you don't like. The fact is, the ashat Feminists who we have been most concerned with are those demanding the deconstruction of systems of oppression. Which comes from the same ideology you have been promoting on this site with your income inequality speak. "You" are promoting a deconstruction of the same system by other means and sophistry. Capitalism and American institutions! Your activism SST.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by StrongSilentType View Post
                            You know what is funny? My daughter's mother, the one who really hosed me, was anti-feminist 15 years ago. Then she used the system, which she fully admitted was biased in her favor, against me.

                            I guess the moral is, "You don't have to be a feminist to be a bad person," which isn't nearly as interesting as I thought when I started this post
                            What's your evidence that she was 'anti-feminist'? Because she said so?

                            You do know that 99% of women will SAY they want 'nice guys' too right?

                            First rule of fight club...Never look at what any woman SAYS. Only ever look at what she DOES.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Grumpy Old Man View Post
                              "patriarchy is only the latest iteration of the Marxist argument...proletariat and bourgeoisie. Same ideology. Now the play is to associate them with the economic system you don't like. The fact is, the ashat Feminists who we have been most concerned with are those demanding the deconstruction of systems of oppression. Which comes from the same ideology you have been promoting on this site with your income inequality speak. "You" are promoting a deconstruction of the same system by other means and sophistry. Capitalism and American institutions! Your activism SST.

                              Thread moved to waste of time.

                              Good day!
                              If I could put you on ignore, GOM, I would.\

                              Until I can, I'm going to pretend that I did.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Maxx View Post
                                What's your evidence that she was 'anti-feminist'? Because she said so?
                                Admitting that the system was biased might be an indicator. Most feminists think the system is way to little biased in their favour.

                                First rule of fight club...Never look at what any woman SAYS. Only ever look at what she DOES.
                                Sorry, Maxx, this is the one time you're not radical enough: Women don't have to be feminists to treat men like shit.

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