Charlottesville

[voidspawn]

I try to follow it up to the original page, but the page now give this website does not exist message... keep in mind that hosting services have being killing far-right websites, lately... I am surprised they used godaddy and the likes, to host their websites... I always imagine them hosting their websites in netherland or somewhere else... anyway, I was not able to access the page to verify the quote.

That is what my comment about "(was?)" is about.

I think the far-right does see an allie in Trump, and it is upsetting that Trump does not get them out of their error...

Here another example, Former leader of KKK sent this message to Trump:

"I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists."

https://twitter.com/drdavidduke/stat...926401?lang=en

Wayback Machine still have archives including the statement article: https://web.archive.org/

Just pop in the URL looked for and it'll pop up. I'm not interested in stormplop returning, but I am interested if they can find webspace outside of the reach of the censors. That's something I think is going to be more and more important. AVfM is already partially hidden on the internet.

Duke is one cold creepy warped bugger. When I think of the worst aspects of it, he's it. Whatever his game is I don't know, he must know he's walking toxicity and Trump must be well aware. I can only imagine how revolted anyone would feel to get an endorsement from him, a level of revulsion on the scale between Freddy Krueger frenchying your mum and puss filled boils on your eyeballs. Since I think Trump is human I'd imagine he feels the same.

I kinda imagine Trump might reckon that any direct mention of Duke no matter how denouncing, might be construed by Duke as a secret love letter and will still be blown into a shitstorm in the media. As such it would be a lose lose scenario, and best bet is to hope time removes Duke before some poor deluded soul immortalises him with a bullet.

[simpleman]

Sounds like the neo-Nazis are so used to being hated (with stones, mace and urine used, apparently), that any sign of objective neutrality leaves them in a swoon.

It is hard for me to see them as victims, after the stuff they say and do about jews, blacks, hispanics... and so on...

Matrix posted a video on how the nazis rise to power.. I find it distasteful to suggest that opposing nazism is the way to turn this into a nazi nation... In my logic no oposing nazims is a good way to have a nazi rise to power... but my logic is twisted that way, i guess.

They must have an interesting (from a psychological perspective) worldview.

I can give you the brief right now...

The jews are not a real raze, as the arians, but they are an anti-raze that was created by an evil entity name the demiurge, the sole purpose of the demiurge is to destroy the pure and beautiful souls of the white people. This evil jews are in an evil cabalistic work where they want to construct the "golem", this is a machine like human that will lead the jews to complete their goal of destroying all white people in the world. In order to archive this "golem" the jews have to do constant sacrifices of christian boys.

Needless to say, as jews are not a real raze, the jew is not a real human, in the sense that it does not have a soul... it is impossible for the demiurge to create a soul. So the jews are to look like humans and pretend to be humans but they are not humans... hence killing jews is not really a crime.

The jews use lower races, like the negroes, to mix down the arians, in order to slave them. Everything you see around that says that a mixed raze union is OK is nothing but jewish hateful propaganda to destroy whites. As the elders of sion and the synagogue of satan well explain.

Then there is the "international jew"... this is a corporation like figure where the jews through manipulation of markets, accaparement, international banking, unpayable loans, monopolization, corruption, and here too... sacrificing christian boys... the jews control all the nations on the world. Every leader of the world either obey or die, the ones that don't obey get killed and their children prostituted into pedophile networks, and then sacrificed.

Hitler is the most magnificent human that ever existed, nothing less than an incarnation of an Avatar, himself. He was able to expose the evil jews for what they are, but unfortunately in the war so many brave and heroic arians die in the front line, while the cowards survived, as logical... this white cowards ended up betraying the fuhrer and the aryan race... At that point Hitler decided to retreat and hide in a secret bunker that is in a thermal mantial in the eternal ice of the Antarctic (operation Redbeard, they call it), by the way the sole purpose of the evil british jewish royal family in having the Falkland Islands, is precisely because they are searching for the bunker in order to kill the fuhrer... and sacrifice christian boys... anyway there the fuhrer have the grail and the vril, hence powerful weapons that he will use in his final attack, when he and the last loyal nazis (the army of the black crowes... following the legend of Redbeard) will ride the vimanas and do the final strike to the demiurge, killing the monster himself... because the vril can kill a god, of course... Also to notice that from this strategic bunker, the fuhrer have direct access to the inside of the planet, as you might know the planet is hollow and in the inside part of it, there lives a race of giant aryans, at least 5 times taller than the tallest nazi there was... This gigant aryans are the ones providing the vimana technology, by the way... they too will emerge out and kill the jews and the golem and the white traitors and everybody else, basically...

And that is the neo-nazi worldview for you. I consider it crazy... I can see why someone will think it is interesting... but that is what it is...

The point is Trump decried violence "from many sides."

Yes... I have seeing the picture, someone hit the side of the passing by car, with a pole... definitely equally violent people... Remember if someone throws a car at you, and you have to jump to the side so to not get hit by it... just don't hit it in it's way to running down a mass of people... that way nobody will be able to make the point that both sides are equally violent...

He also said there were good people on both sides (perhaps defining "good" as protesting without violence the guy has a problem articulating what he means sometimes).

Be carefull some Trump fans will strongly disagree with that statement... anyway, I agree.

To the establishment media this smacks of "moral equivalency," but to many people the notion that the violence within one group is condemned while violence in another group is condoned is immoral thinking.

Yeah, sure all violence is bad... but while a group of people is mourning their dead member... no a good time to tell them that they are shit people... specially considering that they did not run any nazi with their cars...

[Lloyd77]

I don't think I've lurched right personally as much as the left has deserted my position, since when is wanting to be citizen of a nation and proud of that a bad thing, there is nothing wrong with doing business for profit and people like success and accomplishment as much as profit so basing one's prediction of human behaviour on condemning profit seeking is just really silly.

Exactly, it used to be that the left was about scientific materialism, now it is more likely to be about postmodernism. It used to be that the left was genuinely concerned with equality of opportunity, now it is about victim politics and legislated equality of result. Since there is no objective truth in a post-modern world, rational argument is "male," and "truth" is "constructed" and consensus is achieved through "deplatforming." In a sense Trump is very postmodernist in that he constructs his own truths albeit from a right-wing perspective. His attacks on the media for publishing "fake news" is something the left used to say (but rarely do anymore). Curious how everything has evolved.

[mr_e]

I try to follow it up to the original page, but the page now give this website does not exist message... keep in mind that hosting services have being killing far-right websites, lately... I am surprised they used godaddy and the likes, to host their websites... I always imagine them hosting their websites in netherland or somewhere else... anyway, I was not able to access the page to verify the quote.

That is what my comment about "(was?)" is about.

I think the far-right does see an allie in Trump, and it is upsetting that Trump does not get them out of their error...

Here another example, Former leader of KKK sent this message to Trump:

"I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists."

https://twitter.com/drdavidduke/stat...926401?lang=en

Someone needs to remind David Duke that one can be White and not be a supremacist.

[Lloyd77]

The jews are not a real raze, as the arians, but they are an anti-raze that was created by an evil entity name the demiurge, the sole purpose of the demiurge is to destroy the pure and beautiful souls... etc, etc, etc

You missed my point Simpleman to your quote that seemed to show how the neo-Nazis appreciated Trump's support. It was anyone who would construe Trump's neutral stance with love has an interesting psychological profile. But thanks for the lesson on neo-Nazi mythology anyway. You also repeated what has become a mantra:

"Yes... I have seeing the picture, someone hit the side of the passing by car, with a pole... definitely equally violent people... Remember if someone throws a car at you, and you have to jump to the side so to not get hit by it... just don't hit it in it's way to running down a mass of people... that way nobody will be able to make the point that both sides are equally violent...

The New York Times ran a picture that showed a middle-aged white guy with a paunch holding a confederate flag at the edge of the rally where people were listening to speakers being attacked by a much larger, younger and fit black man with a home-made flame-thrower. The fact is, there was violence on both sides. Give Trump his due. With respect to the guy that drove the car, he appeared to be acting on his own but it will be interesting to see what comes out in court.

[mr_e]

Wayback Machine still have archives including the statement article: https://web.archive.org/

Just pop in the URL looked for and it'll pop up. I'm not interested in stormplop returning, but I am interested if they can find webspace outside of the reach of the censors. That's something I think is going to be more and more important. AVfM is already partially hidden on the internet.

Duke is one cold creepy warped bugger. When I think of the worst aspects of it, he's it. Whatever his game is I don't know, he must know he's walking toxicity and Trump must be well aware. I can only imagine how revolted anyone would feel to get an endorsement from him, a level of revulsion on the scale between Freddy Krueger frenchying your mum and puss filled boils on your eyeballs. Since I think Trump is human I'd imagine he feels the same.

I kinda imagine Trump might reckon that any direct mention of Duke no matter how denouncing, might be construed by Duke as a secret love letter and will still be blown into a shitstorm in the media. As such it would be a lose lose scenario, and best bet is to hope time removes Duke before some poor deluded soul immortalises him with a bullet.

David Duke Endorsing Trump Got Six Times More Coverage than Terrorist’s Father Endorsing Hillary
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...age-terrorists

The featured speaker at this years "Women's March" was a convicted murderer who spent three weeks torturing and killing a man, including shoving a three-foot metal rod up his anus, through his intestines and into his chest cavity and said she enjoyed it because it made him "quiver" in a strange way.

Wikipedia: Donna Hylton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Hylton

Women’s March Featured Speaker Who Kidnapped And Tortured A Man
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/26/wo...ortured-a-man/


"Jake Tapper, chief Washington correspondent for CNN, slammed the Women's March on Tuesday over a tweet from the group's official Twitter account celebrating the birthday of convicted cop killer Assata Shakur."

Tapper Slams Women's March
http://freebeacon.com/culture/tapper...-womens-march/

CNN Anchor Condemns Women’s March For Pro Cop Killer Tweet
http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/18/cn...-killer-tweet/


Then there's the known convicted terrorist, Rasmea Yousef Odeh, who helped organize the Women's march.

Meet the terrorist behind the next women’s march
http://nypost.com/2017/02/25/the-nex...y-a-terrorist/


And of course they don't talk about it much when David Duke is busy giving *them* endorsements...

David Duke gives ringing endorsement to Keith Ellison for DNC chair
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...to-keith-elli/

When the Ku Klux Klan Endorsed a Black, Liberal Democrat for Senate
http://isps.yale.edu/news/blog/2016/...rat-for-senate


Not to mention Hillary Clinton's *OWN* connections to the Ku Klux Klan and White Supremacy...

Btw, the photo of her getting a kiss from a former KKK Grand Wizard has been confirmed as "TRUE" by Snopes.com. It sure doesn't look like any "faulty earpiece to me. The man is in full-on pucker mode." (Frankly, I'm not sure which is worse, an ex-Klansman or the thought of kissing Hillary Clinton...)

(In fairness, as far as I can tell, the whole Hillary / Klan connection should be filed under "If they can twist facts, so can we", but still-- they *are* confirmed and verified *FACTS*)

HILLARY CLINTON’S LINK TO FORMER KKK LEADER ROBERT BYRD SURFACES AGAIN AFTER CHARLOTTESVILLE
http://www.newsweek.com/clinton-kkk-byrd-trump-652176

A photograph of Hillary Clinton being kissed by Senator Robert Byrd
http://www.snopes.com/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/

[mr_e]

Exactly, it used to be that the left was about scientific materialism, now it is more likely to be about postmodernism. It used to be that the left was genuinely concerned with equality of opportunity, now it is about victim politics and legislated equality of result. Since there is no objective truth in a post-modern world, rational argument is "male," and "truth" is "constructed" and consensus is achieved through "deplatforming." In a sense Trump is very postmodernist in that he constructs his own truths albeit from a right-wing perspective. His attacks on the media for publishing "fake news" is something the left used to say (but rarely do anymore). Curious how everything has evolved.

Excellent post. I am going to remember these words for my next conversation with my favorite liberal. That really is what has been happening, and explains why she and I, who used to think very much alike and agree on many things, are suddenly now at odds with each other. I have stayed the same and she has taken a great big giant step to the extreme left.

[polite_disagreement]

My eldest son is a Ph.D. out there somewhere. He insists he is a conservative. He is so far to the left it is ridiculous. The only thing we can conclude is he is an inch away from the left wall, and to the other leftists, he is a crazy right winger.

[MatrixTransform]

Matrix posted a video on how the nazis rise to power.. I find it distasteful to suggest that opposing nazism is the way to turn this into a nazi nation... In my logic no oposing nazims is a good way to have a nazi rise to power... but my logic is twisted that way, i guess.

Holee Shit ...

Is that all you get from that video?
It does nothing except confirm your biases?

Are you forgetting that Nazi is National Socialist?

Lemme spell it out.

Good, normal, forward thinking, genuinely moral people voted for the man overwhelmingly.

This time, it will be SJW progressives in favour of curtailing speech and liberty that will allow the normal checks-and-balances to be wound back and replaced with yet another form Unicorn Politics.
They will gladly accept the constraints just to silence or dis empower somebody they see and morally corrupt...inferior...broken... useless
They'll gladly welcome change, usher in the new...vanquish the wrong-ness

It already happening, but...
You dumb-fucks havent seen the 21st century version of Hitler yet ... and that's because youre still yet to overwhelmingly elect him/her/xim/xe etc.

I know you dont get it ... it's pretty obvious to the vast majority of people, but not you.
Your'e special right?


Just because some liminal fuck-heads who are representative of very small percentage of the population dont like a Jewish person it doesn't make them a nazi. (National Socialist remember?)
Nor does it make everybody that refuses to punch them and nazi either.
There are no nazi ... there used to be but that was last century

There are a bunch of people with some other pretty fucking odious views who are prepared to march en-mass and break stuff.
We've seen it numerous times in the last year ... that cannot be denied, nor overlooked. tough the traditional and electronic media are trying do do damn good job of ignoring it.

What do you reckon swarms of black-bloc idiots running around smashing shit look like?

AntiFa dont look like Brown-Shirts to you?

This is what happens when studying history in school isnt compulsory.

Hmm, I wonder what happens when you erase history, rewrite it, emplace speech-codes, thought-codes ...start viewing everybody else as deplorable

No wonder, this ends in war

[simpleman]

Holee Shit ...

Is that all you get from that video?
It does nothing except confirm your biases?

I think I have a very good understanding about nazi history...

Are you forgetting that Nazi is National Socialist?

For sure I have mention it on this debate... at least 2 times... Trump is a national socialist too.

Lemme spell it out.

Sure, go for it...

Good, normal, forward thinking, genuinely moral people voted for the man overwhelmingly.

Trump or Hitler?

I know it is a flipping question... but the point is that the argument you are making also can applies to you...

This time, it will be SJW progressives in favour of curtailing speech and liberty that will allow the normal checks-and-balances to be wound back and replaced with yet another form Unicorn Politics.

Germans were tired of having to deal with the consequences of losing the first war... part of the consequences was mass immigration, multiculturalism and the so... Hitler was opposing the progressives, the internationalists... you get the idea?

They will gladly accept the constraints just to silence or dis empower somebody they see and morally corrupt...inferior...broken... useless

Wouldn't you?

They'll gladly welcome change, usher in the new...vanquish the wrong-ness

Sure. but those are the consequences of the "no child left behind"... they fail to educate the youth and now the youth is uneducated...

It already happening, but...
You dumb-fucks havent seen the 21st century version of Hitler yet ... and that's because youre still yet to overwhelmingly elect him/her/xim/xe etc.

I don't think there is goign to be another Hitler... Or perhaps you elected him already???

Hitler is mostly a consequence of Napoleon... the political landscape was way too different... I don't think this days there can be a rise of another Hitler... this say.. we still can have bad leaders that through populism play the fears of the people and make terrible decisions... but it will not be on the scale of a Hitler... I hope.

I know you dont get it ... it's pretty obvious to the vast majority of people, but not you.
Your'e special right?

Never too old to be a fool... how about you?

Just because some liminal fuck-heads who are representative of very small percentage of the population dont like a Jewish person it doesn't make them a nazi. (National Socialist remember?)

I am pretty sure the majority of neo-nazis hate the jews...

Nor does it make everybody that refuses to punch them and nazi either.
There are no nazi ... there used to be but that was last century

This century they basically have a religion where Hitler is the savior and Mein Kampf is the bible...

There are a bunch of people with some other pretty fucking odious views who are prepared to march en-mass and break stuff.
We've seen it numerous times in the last year ... that cannot be denied, nor overlooked. tough the traditional and electronic media are trying do do damn good job of ignoring it.

I don't think most of them have a form ideology, anyway...

What do you reckon swarms of black-bloc idiots running around smashing shit look like?

That is what you get after "no child left behind", massive cuts to the education budget, "common core, and the little money that is going to educations is being use in indoctrination, instead... They mess up the whole educational system, probably setting US back some good 200 years, or so... but this is systemic, blacks, whites, everybody...

AntiFa dont look like Brown-Shirts to you?

No, definite white people...

This is what happens when studying history in school isnt compulsory.

I study history in school... you'd be amaze of the load of lies they teach you, that you think are true, because it is your education... Have you ever review and check your education?

Hmm, I wonder what happens when you erase history, rewrite it, emplace speech-codes, thought-codes ...start viewing everybody else as deplorable

Nothing, really... let's say that we change a historical fact... they say now that africans discovered america before europeans... you can be all offended as you like about your heritage and what not... but in a personal, practical level, nothing change... you still being who you are, you still have to go to that same job tomorrow, you have the same bills to pay... you, in a personal, practical level have lost nothing... and that is about the same as what the other guys actually won... they still live in poverty, they still don't know who is their father, they still sag their pants... so what changed?

No wonder, this ends in war

You need a lot of guns to fight a war... Then you need young people that carry those guns, and then you need logistics to train, feed, shelter, mobilize... those young people... We are not even close to a civil war...

[MatrixTransform]

let's say that we change a historical fact... they say now that africans discovered america before europeans

...and if they did, that would be interesting rather than defining.

Go read about the archaeological discoveries in China ... theories are always being turned on their head. Meh

Anyway, for your idiotic though-experiment... Lets start smaller

Lets say the the American Civil War was all about slavery....Then pull down any monument to prove it.

Lets put restrictions on the mode that discussion can take...and un-employ those that disagree

lets pretent that AntiFa are fighting the nazi ... and break some more shit

lets say gender is a construct and sex is a spectrum ...but expect a man to open the Olive Jar

lets say that argument is hate-speech ... and punch another nazi so there isnt a bother

lets pretend that there is no absolutes and that the post-modern was always the pre-civilized ... and ignore the entire canon of western though

you've been told that wrong is right...and believed it

how about we drop the pretense and talk about the fact that this is a press for power at law.

ie....war

brain dead

[polite_disagreement]

Having shared a house for most of 34 years with a Commie family, I finally realized this whole mess is a battle to the death between Communism and non-communism. They gained their way for nearly 50 years by bullying, and felt within striking distance of Stalinist America, then Trump came along, and screwed up their plans.

As Communism has always done, they start talking about killing anyone who gets in their path to stop them. So, yes, we are at war with Communists, including the RINOs.

[MatrixTransform]

Yep. Thats about the size of it.

http://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html

[oldblueeyes]

Communists suck, brothers. If they want a war, let's make it fucking official! Let's put a target on their fucking backs! Let's open fucking fire!!!!!!!!!!!!

My fuck I've been prepping for this for 30 years.......ahem, I'm also half drunk lol.

[oldblueeyes]

Muslims want to shut down free speech, antifarts want to shut down free speech.......if it comes to a civil war I'm coming on down! Just give me guns, guns, guns! Better to go out in battle than die long from cancer!