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  • Manalysis
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    Originally posted by MatrixTransform View Post
    Janus apparently put down the scales and whilst blind-folded swings the sword randomly
    I think that's Lady Justitia...
    Janus, apart from doing road signs (I think), lived in the temple of war,
    /edit: the doors to /
    which were closed whenever Rome enjoyed peace.
    About 51 out of 1000 years, IIRC.

    Empty pedestals in Virginia, I hear.

    M
    Last edited by Manalysis; 08-30-2017, 04:22 AM.

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  • Manalysis
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    Originally posted by simpleman View Post
    Here a picture from Chile, maybe later on I get to explain what is this place in the picture...
    If you want to become a secret agent, you have to learn to change file names and e.g. image captions:

    " ....adolescentes-colonia-dignidad.jpg ..."
    Which place was my first guess; but then I suspect there are a lot of weird places in SAm, so it might not have been that.
    Wasn't it last year they also found some 1946 stash house somewhere in a jungle?

    M

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  • simpleman
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    Originally posted by Grumpy Old Man View Post
    I'll just leave this here. http://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/82917/

    It's good to see some leadership on the Dem side on this. With luck, the law will work as designed and prosecute all those who choose violence.
    That is what I am talking about... when the antifa is violent call them out as that... when the neo-nazis are violent... then both sides are violent???

    Imagine if someone in the forum post a video of antifa beating up a Trump supporter, and I go by saying... "both sides are equally violent"... will they call me hypocrital then??? do they have mirrors at home?

    Here ranting on Trump, again... no on you...

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  • simpleman
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    Originally posted by MatrixTransform View Post
    and he doubles down again.

    Truth is you dont know anything about Law. How its made, practiced, up-held, precedence, tort, checks and balances. zero.

    Janus apparently put down the scales and whilst blind-folded swings the sword randomly

    Just crap on and pretend like you do.

    The reason I call you infantile is because like every puppy, you apparently know everything ... but understand nothing.
    I know right... and the only way to shut me up is with food... if I had a pizza here with me I would no be posting this words right now... gotta have priorities.

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  • simpleman
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    Originally posted by dubs View Post
    If you believe in open borders then start with Israel.
    Sure.. that will be awesome.

    And if you think exclusion is wrong, start with the Palestinians.
    Israel is not excluding palestines... Palestina is excluding israelis...

    And if both of those things are harmful or unsustainable, then stfu and don't force them on others.
    I am not forcing anything on you... though I think you are a very bitter person...

    The time for double-standards is over.
    Ah finally... after 48 pages of me asking for double standards to be over... More to celebrate!

    When we're talking about native Americans or Aborginenees, "exclusion" is right.

    When we're talking about Europeans or Germans, "exclusion" is wrong.
    Ok.. let me try it this way...

    If you like white pussy, and you only want to married a white woman because the kids of your dreams are all white... be my guess. I don't care about who you have sex with, or what you ideal for kids are... I truly, honestly, completely sure don't care...

    If... the argument here is that people that is not white need to disappear, one way or another... then that is where I am going to start having a problem...

    Here under the word "exclusion" you have grouped the completely 2 different things...

    I see a big difference between loving white and being proud of it and hating black and wanting to kill it... Lest use 2 different worlds for this 2 different kinds of "exclusions"... so we don't end up grouping white pride with white supremacy?

    I am suggesting this out of saving white pride to be grouped in the same category than racism... but if you are going to insist on doing this... then... again.. I don't care... but latter on don't ask me to separate them, then...

    In my personal case... I don't have this kind of pride... Mozart was a very talented musician and his skin was white... my skin is white but I am not a talented musician... I am a loser... I do not try to compensate my lack of talent by trying to put my skin in the same bin with Mozart and a lot of other white skin people, to try to make the point that even though, I am personally a looser... my race is a winner... I don't do this... I don't need to do this... I already cope with the fact that I am a loser, and I learned that I can be a loser and still be happy...

    So I don't care about any of the great white people in history.. because I am none of them, their achievements are theirs, and it would be silly of me to try to claim credit for their achievements on the bases of the similar color of skins... I enjoy their achievements, I am in awe of what they did... but it is them, again, no me... no even my skin, by proxy...

    You escaped Venezuela because of violence.

    You ran from niggerville to whiteyville for safety.

    And you want to turn it back into niggerville.
    You'd be surprised to learn that there is a lot of white people in south america...

    Here a picture from Chile, maybe later on I get to explain what is this place in the picture...



    Here one more recent... this is a Colombian politician, and what he says... to better understand it. Choco is a majority black state...

    "Investing money in Choco is like wasting perfume on shit".
    http://www.elespectador.com/noticias...rticulo-344843

    A hint... he is not black... Telling you... you'd be surprised how many white people is down there...

    You need to travel more the world... you know?

    If that doesn't work you'll prolly move to China and do the same shit there, or run to Israel aka "Ashkenazi Redneck Shithole"
    China is a nice place, I like the food... I don't like much the government...

    Sooner or later, people like you are going to run out of places to live.
    I think I will run out of years before I run out of places... but who knows?

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  • Grumpy Old Man
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    Pelosi Statement Condemning Antifa Violence in Berkeley

    I'll just leave this here. http://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/82917/

    It's good to see some leadership on the Dem side on this. With luck, the law will work as designed and prosecute all those who choose violence.

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  • MatrixTransform
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    Originally posted by simpleman View Post
    I am not talking about how the law works... I am talking about how the law is failing to work.
    and he doubles down again.

    Truth is you dont know anything about Law. How its made, practiced, up-held, precedence, tort, checks and balances. zero.

    Janus apparently put down the scales and whilst blind-folded swings the sword randomly

    Just crap on and pretend like you do.

    The reason I call you infantile is because like every puppy, you apparently know everything ... but understand nothing.

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  • dubs
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    If you believe in open borders then start with Israel.

    And if you think exclusion is wrong, start with the Palestinians.

    And if both of those things are harmful or unsustainable, then stfu and don't force them on others.

    The time for double-standards is over.

    When we're talking about native Americans or Aborginenees, "exclusion" is right.

    When we're talking about Europeans or Germans, "exclusion" is wrong.

    You escaped Venezuela because of violence.

    You ran from niggerville to whiteyville for safety.

    And you want to turn it back into niggerville.

    If that doesn't work you'll prolly move to China and do the same shit there, or run to Israel aka "Ashkenazi Redneck Shithole"

    Sooner or later, people like you are going to run out of places to live.

    Die-versity

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  • simpleman
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    Originally posted by Manalysis View Post
    Nah ... Do you mind if I stray into philosophy territory ...? I'll make it short; it's mainly because the guys said many things once and for all.
    Ready or not, here I come ...
    Nietzsche called mankind "the animal that may make promises". I read that as ... we, unlike animlas, exist on a timeline, so to speak. We are aware of at least _a_ future, if not _the_ future, and so we hold intent to do so-and-so in order to achieve this-and-that. Like, we're going to exercise more, or cut down on smoking, or whatever.
    But of course we are our own worst enemies, we undermine ourselves - the next day we sit on the couch, merrily puffing away two packs.
    Psychologists offer advice of "taking the matter out of our hands" by e.g. paying for a gym membership (preferably with the tobacco money) - this obligates us to go and exercise, at least more than not doing it does.
    Every society needs predictability in order to have and maintain trust, and the primary tool for this has always been to have rules.
    If there is a temptation to take what is not yours, there's also a paranoia about losing what's mine, and in order to "save social costs", one eliminates the worry by eliminating the risk by agreeing to sanction the one who "promises" to not steal, but breaks his promise.
    Unless people turn out 100 % angelic neighbour-lovers, laws are necessary, even if people have promised to follow a social contract.
    "Contract" is a legal term, remember. The idea of sanctions is not far away.
    We do pretend to have the laws on writing... but it is a very... "open to interpretation" kind of deal...

    The romans would talk about the body of the law and the spirit of the law... and over the law there is justice... justice always prevail, even above the law... if you have a particular case where applying the law will result in injustice, then.. pretty much ignore what the law says and do the just thing to do... they being Romans have latin words for it:
    "summum ius summa iniuria"

    Anyway, in US they don't use a roman based system... so some of this concepts are foreign to them...

    Sorry, my bad. Off to Kant, this time, who distinguished between negative commandments and laws, i.e. things you cannot do, and positive commandments and laws, i.e. things it would be better if you did.
    The positive ones are simply those which command us to be good. Love one another. Love thy neighbour. Have good will. Listen and believe.
    These things are all very good, but since they spring from having a character inclined towards benevoence, it can per definition not be enforced. Attempts to do so end in tyranny.
    Compare North Koreans and the Kims. They must not only obey The Kim That Be, but honor him, respect him, be enthuiastic about him, take him for a role model, idolize him and worship him and all his Kimminism. And this _is_ being enforced. It's hard to think of a worse fate.

    The negative ones are those which prohibit that we do bad things. Do not lie, steal, cheat, covet oxen, worship graven images.
    These acts are visibly manifest, and so we can sanction them, manipulating the reward structure for those who commit such acts.
    OK there is a confusion here... when I talk about the positivity of the the law... I am not talk about a moral good, or a spiritual value... I am talking about the form of the law...

    You see? one of the requirements for something to be a law is that it have to look like a law... another requirement is that the congress write it down... but anyway... a law have to have the form of a law... this form is giving in a positive grammatical structure...

    The law does not tell you to do or not to things, it is not a moral compass... the law tells you that if you do certain things you will get punish... So for instance "do not kill", is a commandment, a moral pillar of jew-christian ethics and what not... but it is not a law... a law would have to describe the conduct, explain that whoever do it will now be punish, and finally also explain the punishment:
    "A person commits criminal homicide if he intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence causes the death of an individual."

    There it is not telling to don't kill, or to kill, it is not tell you what you do or don't do... but instead it is telling you that you do what you want, but if you do this specific thing that is mention here, then a punishment is on the way...

    So for this reason the law never elaborates on the terms of "don't"... or "do"... and the grammatical structure of it is always in a positive sentence... this is the form of the phrase, not the moral teaching of it... Then again this Roman system...

    Anyway, a wise man ones said:
    People must never know how the sausages and the laws are made...

    Or some like that...

    Of course in a long term socio-economic perspective. Books have been written about it, so it must be true.
    But ethics is not the only factor influencing market developments. Some event that results in a boom or bust may not be as long-lived, but it can still devastate one or more areas of a local economy.
    The weather?

    Lucky you.
    The worst are the faceless pension fund investment portfolio types, who buy companies, leech them dry, break them up, sell the factories, sell the brand, and pay out the company's capital in dividends; the "greed is good" people.
    Well people should really pay a good close look to what is goign on with their pensions... Now they are offering the option that you can invest in real state.. to bring some stability to the portfolio they say... so people put down some percentage of their pension on this real estate category, they never bother to look at the catalog of state they are buying in...

    Something like this can be valued by the investment found for 1 or 1.5 millions, and they put that much people's money into a parcel like this... I wonder what will happen when they try to sell? I guess I will find out in 20 or 30 years?



    Wishful thinking.

    M
    LOL

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  • simpleman
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    Originally posted by mr_e View Post
    I wish they were shaking their asses to Mozart, I can't stand rap.

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  • simpleman
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    Originally posted by dubs View Post
    What does "globalism" look like to you? Who are the leaders, where is the capital, if a country doesn't want to join do we bomb them until they do?
    Ahhh... If I can have it my way... how the perfect world would be... LOL...

    I would go for a Direct Democracy.

    Full open markets capitalism.

    Religion to be a private matter... don't bring it to public spaces.

    Money would be more standardized... it is crazy that with 1 dollar you can buy 3000 Colombia money.

    ...

    I think that is a good starting...

    Coercion is a quick-fix but ultimately self-defeating.

    If you want an ethos to last, you have to sell it and have people willingly "buy in" to it, otherwise you're just holding people hostage at the barrel of a gun and therefor you yourself are also a hostage to that situation.

    To me "white national socialism" looks like Hitler.
    Ah ok.. so to your denounce:
    "You like tribalism (except white tribalism) and national socialism (except white national socialism) and you consider this to be "globalism.""

    I will tell you this.. I don't like any form of national socialism... but the one I dislike the most is the white national socialism...

    Probably I am biased here because previous incidents...

    Also please consider my background... I come from a place where a parcel with a flag and a soccer team is call a "nation" and they pretend to be sovereign... so for me the whole idea of nationalism never really made sense... if you see what I think about nations...

    I am not in favor of it but I insist that all ethnic groups have a right to self-detrmination incuding exclusion.
    I would disagree on this... because I am right now thinking on how the nazis exercised their right of exclusion... mostly the part that it looked more like extermination...

    If they do not want to join "diversity" that is their choice.
    OK.. I need to stop thinking about nazis here... other wise... anyway...

    White National Socialism... there is no such thing as a white nation, it never have being and it never will be... trying to create one will mean to, at least, push some people out of their homes into the neighboring countries... Nobody have the right to carve a parcel on the land make some claims that it is a white nation and then go full violence on the non-whites there, just in order to materialize this idea of a white nation... nobody have the right to do that.

    Diversity must be presented as a BENEFIT rather than "be globalist or else you are racist and we kill you."

    If diversity is so good then why force it?
    In the case of the nazis we were not forcing diversity on them, we were stopping them to exterminate several ethnicities...

    If there are benefits then it should be easy to sell.
    That depends... for instance I have being talking to you on the benefits mexican bring to US.... the benefit is there, the links I give you are clear, and the so.. but so far I think you have to change your mind about this... and probably you never will... and in part is because on this matter... probably no you but other supporters of the anti-immigration... have some other unsubstantial benefits that they prefer to prioritize over any benefit the immigrants could have to offer... and of course their benefit might be ignore at all and the so..

    For instance when you talk about garbage people that rob you a gunpoint, and are nothing but beggers... none of this claims are supported by any evidence... but then again... not as easy as you might think... to try to present data that change this kind of perceptions.

    And if it is a net loss ie "White people suffer and everybody else benefits" then it is simply another form of tribal warfare, rape and robbery.
    I don't think that is how it works...

    I think the position of %99 of rational people is that /some/ diversity is beneficial to the host.

    And I think a global confederation is a human eventuality.

    I don't think humanity is ready for that now, and I think "let's just ignore borders" causes needless suffering and strife.

    The reaction that you see with the assertion of White Nationalism, I think is a natural reaction to "diversity" happening too quickly.
    "White Nationalism" is nothing new... this thing you mention here about the diversity happening to fast... is just the excuse of the hour... but the list of excuses justifying it is a very long, and rather very creative list.

    I think it's too much of a shock to the system and feels more like an invasion.
    Historically inaccurate... I mentioned this before... a big part of the south of US was mexican territories where mexican people lived there, eating their mexican food and listening their mexican music... then it came some war and this territory's independence from Mexico... but the people living in there was still the same people... so you change the flag from Mexico, to let's say... Texas... and that is great and all... but the people of Texas... pretty much still eating mexican food and listening to mexican music...

    200 years later you show up and claim that there is way too many mexicans in texas it looks like an invasion and they should go back to Mexico???

    "White" and "Black" are not merely skin colors.
    I disagree, they are, more or less... skin colors. I also find comical that 2 lines below you contradict this...

    They are collective evolutionary experiences, cultures and worldviews.
    there is no such thing as collective evolutionary experiences... At least not in the way you are using here.

    When I say you are anti-white, it just means you don't like white people's "way" of doing things or looking at the world.
    Depending of your definition of "white" I might be white myself...

    I don't think anybody gives a shit about "skin color."
    Comical, nonetheless... and now I agree

    The lie is that everybody is the same and only color is different, it's pure bullshit, there are vast differences in IQ groupings, behavior, culture, etc etc.
    There is none of this differences you are pointing out here...

    That's why you have rap videos with women shaking their asses vs Mozart.
    How many white rappers making crappy music videos should I present, in order to debunk this?

    How many black people, gifted in music should I present, in order to debunk this???

    The worst part of it all, is that it is quite possible that the music you like the most is a mixture of different kinds of musics... For example Rock music mix european strings with african percussions... The first Rolling Stones album is nothing but covers of blues musicians (all black)...

    You think the only difference there is "skin color?"
    Yes.

    Or is it the actual character of the people involved?
    Character is no genetical. So you can't really link the quality of the character of a person to his genetic makeup.

    MLK said, "Don't judge me by my color, judge me by the content of my character." [paraphrasing]

    Well I am judging you by the content of your character and you're a terrible person. (Well not you, but hypothetically, "the black community," ISIS, soulless Asians, etc etc.)
    I think in general terms MLK is off good character... I have not idea what you are talking about saying that he is a terrible person... I give you that he was not perfect, nobody is... but in general terms his character was good, a very honest and ethic person... In my opinion... he asked you to judge him by the character and not for the color... and what you did? If he was white... would you think different of him?

    I'm willing to chalk these differences up as "reconcilable."

    But don't tell me the differences aren't there, or that the only difference between people is the "color of their skin."
    Lest see... accordingly to the nazi scientists.. there is at least 2500 biological differences between a white and a black... including the shape of the craneo... this is why when they find a craneo they can tell if it was a white or black person... no skin, the bone... you can still tell a white form a black... Also Liver is different, and so on and go on... around 2500 they were able to count.

    And that is pretty much about it... biological differences... I guess people talk about the color of the skin, to simplify... though nazis will also tell you that there is indeed arians of dark skin... so the simplification is kind of misguiding... but anyway... don't judge me for the shape of my craneo...?

    You might hate white "ways" of doing things.

    But that didn't stop you from immigrating to the US.
    The melting pot... the land of diversity... did you call it the "white way"???

    Do you think we have magic water? Or is it, you know, the people and their "way" that makes it successful.
    It was the violence, what did it for me... I was in a place where i would have to pick up a weapon and kind of fight... and probably no even a rifle.. can you believe that in some places war is still being fought with rocks and machetes?

    US have a less violent environment, in general terms... so that is what attracted me... but yeah... if this is going to turn into a redneck shithole then I'll take the plane to Nederlands...

    So perhaps there is some method to the madness.
    Here a candidate for black Mozart... don't expect any woman shaking the ass... though many of them might wet their panties...

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  • Manalysis
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    Originally posted by dubs View Post
    Diversity must be presented as a BENEFIT rather than "be globalist or else you are racist and we kill you."
    Oh, it is presented as such, plenty. But it must also _be_ a benefit.

    If diversity is so good then why force it? If there are benefits then it should be easy to sell.
    Because while there are benefits, they are not for all.

    I don't think humanity is ready for that now, and I think "let's just ignore borders" causes needless suffering and strife.
    Whatever the goal may be ... and it may well end up being "whatever" ...
    ... one needs to consider the road as well.

    Sudden breakdown of established system always leads to "interesting times".

    Rome --> Migration Age
    Columbus --> First Wave Negative Impact Of Immigration To America
    Fall of the German HRE Empire --> 30 Year War (the first war of multinational corporations)
    Fall of the French Monarchy --> Revolution + Napoleon
    Fall of the Turkish Empire--> WWI
    WWI --> Fall of Russian Tsarist Empire
    Fall of Russian Tsarist Empire --> Russian Stalinist Empire
    WWII - Fall of British Empire
    Fall of British Empire --> Decolonization
    Decolonization --> Mass migration

    I didn't intend to make quite such a neat list ... but there it is - perhaps with stations missing, so ... there one is.

    The nation state has grown in Europe for more than 1000 years, and to abolish that in a decade will mean another round of interesting times.

    M

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  • mr_e
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    Originally posted by dubs View Post
    That's why you have rap videos with women shaking their asses vs Mozart.
    I wish they were shaking their asses to Mozart, I can't stand rap.

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  • dubs
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    Originally posted by simpleman View Post
    What a way to misinterpret me...

    "You hate modern culture and civilization"

    Some aspects of it.. yeah... I must admit I am not a big fan of feminism, for instance...

    "You like tribalism (except white tribalism) and national socialism (except white national socialism) and you consider this to be "globalism.""

    Completely the other way around... I think in a globalist system there is more room for individualism.. for diversity... I do like diversity...

    Just for the kicks of it... what is "white nacional socialism"??? like... how would define? who is a member of it? who is not a member?, what happened to the people that does not cut it a a members, but are stuck in the same territory?

    I am pointing this out, because out of the bat the 3 words together "white national socialism" sounds perverted as you can get... and It also looks like... you are in favour of it?

    "At it's core you're simply anti-white."

    Why would I be? Why would I care the color of your skin? why would I hate it??? it makes no sense what you say here.

    "That doesn't make you special or unique, guys like you are dime a dozen."

    I know I am not unique and special... so??? what is your point?
    What does "globalism" look like to you? Who are the leaders, where is the capital, if a country doesn't want to join do we bomb them until they do?

    Coercion is a quick-fix but ultimately self-defeating.

    If you want an ethos to last, you have to sell it and have people willingly "buy in" to it, otherwise you're just holding people hostage at the barrel of a gun and therefor you yourself are also a hostage to that situation.

    To me "white national socialism" looks like Hitler.

    I am not in favor of it but I insist that all ethnic groups have a right to self-detrmination incuding exclusion.

    If they do not want to join "diversity" that is their choice.

    Diversity must be presented as a BENEFIT rather than "be globalist or else you are racist and we kill you."

    If diversity is so good then why force it?

    If there are benefits then it should be easy to sell.

    And if it is a net loss ie "White people suffer and everybody else benefits" then it is simply another form of tribal warfare, rape and robbery.

    I think the position of %99 of rational people is that /some/ diversity is beneficial to the host.

    And I think a global confederation is a human eventuality.

    I don't think humanity is ready for that now, and I think "let's just ignore borders" causes needless suffering and strife.

    The reaction that you see with the assertion of White Nationalism, I think is a natural reaction to "diversity" happening too quickly.

    I think it's too much of a shock to the system and feels more like an invasion.

    "White" and "Black" are not merely skin colors.

    They are collective evolutionary experiences, cultures and worldviews.

    When I say you are anti-white, it just means you don't like white people's "way" of doing things or looking at the world.

    I don't think anybody gives a shit about "skin color."

    The lie is that everybody is the same and only color is different, it's pure bullshit, there are vast differences in IQ groupings, behavior, culture, etc etc.

    That's why you have rap videos with women shaking their asses vs Mozart.

    You think the only difference there is "skin color?"

    Or is it the actual character of the people involved?

    MLK said, "Don't judge me by my color, judge me by the content of my character." [paraphrasing]

    Well I am judging you by the content of your character and you're a terrible person. (Well not you, but hypothetically, "the black community," ISIS, soulless Asians, etc etc.)

    I'm willing to chalk these differences up as "reconcilable."

    But don't tell me the differences aren't there, or that the only difference between people is the "color of their skin."

    You might hate white "ways" of doing things.

    But that didn't stop you from immigrating to the US.

    Do you think we have magic water? Or is it, you know, the people and their "way" that makes it successful.

    So perhaps there is some method to the madness.

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  • Manalysis
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    Originally posted by simpleman View Post
    Here is a trick: If you need to make it a law and enforce... it is not really much of a social contract...
    Nah ... Do you mind if I stray into philosophy territory ...? I'll make it short; it's mainly because the guys said many things once and for all.
    Ready or not, here I come ...
    Nietzsche called mankind "the animal that may make promises". I read that as ... we, unlike animlas, exist on a timeline, so to speak. We are aware of at least _a_ future, if not _the_ future, and so we hold intent to do so-and-so in order to achieve this-and-that. Like, we're going to exercise more, or cut down on smoking, or whatever.
    But of course we are our own worst enemies, we undermine ourselves - the next day we sit on the couch, merrily puffing away two packs.
    Psychologists offer advice of "taking the matter out of our hands" by e.g. paying for a gym membership (preferably with the tobacco money) - this obligates us to go and exercise, at least more than not doing it does.
    Every society needs predictability in order to have and maintain trust, and the primary tool for this has always been to have rules.
    If there is a temptation to take what is not yours, there's also a paranoia about losing what's mine, and in order to "save social costs", one eliminates the worry by eliminating the risk by agreeing to sanction the one who "promises" to not steal, but breaks his promise.
    Unless people turn out 100 % angelic neighbour-lovers, laws are necessary, even if people have promised to follow a social contract.
    "Contract" is a legal term, remember. The idea of sanctions is not far away.

    Not sure where you want to go here... the law must be positive...
    Sorry, my bad. Off to Kant, this time, who distinguished between negative commandments and laws, i.e. things you cannot do, and positive commandments and laws, i.e. things it would be better if you did.
    The positive ones are simply those which command us to be good. Love one another. Love thy neighbour. Have good will. Listen and believe.
    These things are all very good, but since they spring from having a character inclined towards benevoence, it can per definition not be enforced. Attempts to do so end in tyranny.
    Compare North Koreans and the Kims. They must not only obey The Kim That Be, but honor him, respect him, be enthuiastic about him, take him for a role model, idolize him and worship him and all his Kimminism. And this _is_ being enforced. It's hard to think of a worse fate.

    The negative ones are those which prohibit that we do bad things. Do not lie, steal, cheat, covet oxen, worship graven images.
    These acts are visibly manifest, and so we can sanction them, manipulating the reward structure for those who commit such acts.

    I do... because there is ethics of work, ethics of trade.. and so on... Pretty much everything about economy is based on trust and goodwill...
    Of course in a long term socio-economic perspective. Books have been written about it, so it must be true.
    But ethics is not the only factor influencing market developments. Some event that results in a boom or bust may not be as long-lived, but it can still devastate one or more areas of a local economy.

    Ah I see... At least in the this part of the country, I must say... corporations are not like that... they try to be locally involve and what not...
    Lucky you.
    The worst are the faceless pension fund investment portfolio types, who buy companies, leech them dry, break them up, sell the factories, sell the brand, and pay out the company's capital in dividends; the "greed is good" people.

    I am not smart enough for that...
    Wishful thinking.

    M
    Last edited by Manalysis; 08-29-2017, 06:21 PM.

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